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Post by NeedMoreTea »

nate_meurer wrote: post #146
stordoff wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Tea is generally even hotter. Any good tea shop will serve a pot of freshly boiled water, at least twenty degrees hotter than hot coffee. Depends on the tea. Most of the recommendations I see are below boiling: > white and green teas are best at 70°c. For black and oolong teas use water around 85°c. For herbal infusions use 100°c water, and 90°c for Chamomile. https://www.rareteacompany.com/perfect-cup/how-to-make-…

"Depends on the tea" is absolutely right, but that website makes some odd claims. It reads like a content mill. Their claim that black tea should be steeped at 85 deg C is simply wrong. I don't know where they got that. Black teas are universally recognized to require the highest steeping temperatures, to the point that high-altitude brewing is a problem for many folks. The claim that green tea is best steeped at 70…

Agreed. Black tea will never brew properly at 85° - personally I'd throw that gnat's pee away and try and get it right the second time.

As near to 100 as you can manage, which means warm the pot or mug first - though most don't. Pot with loose leaf is much preferable. Let it brew to taste.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by gipp »

sam0x17 wrote: post #141
falcolas wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A three (or ten, or even 300) strike plan, where they lose the right to make copyright claims in a "guilty until proven innocent" fashion - the company must provide sufficient evidence to YouTube that the content is infringing. They would still have the DMCA process, but they lose rights to use the copyright strike process until they prove their competence.

I completely agree with this. There should be enormous consequences for false reports, and there should be an AI that is designed to understand fair use (It's not fucking impossible).

Sure, but YouTube doesn't have that option. Any of the suggestions given here would almost certainly lose YT their safe harbor status.

YouTube's policies are as Draconian as they are because that's literally the only way to comply with the law. I can't for the life of me figure out why YT doesn't have some kind of messaging strategy around that.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by colejohnson66 »

sam0x17 wrote: post #133
sam0x17 wrote: post #129

I really don't understand why the process has been designed to assume the copyright claimant is in the right from the get-go when it's the claimants that abuse the system. If I was Google I'd have my lawyers aggressively pursue the legal feasibility of banning companies from submitting complaints if they abuse the complaint system (if not then ban the channels of companies who have their lawyers abuse the system) and…

Heck, I'd even have my developers write an AI that automatically extracts fair-use-length clips from videos and songs belonging to some of the biggest complainers, and uploads them as "honeypot" videos. If they complain about one of those, ban 'em from complaining again. They don't understand copyright law.

A 10 second clip of a movie isn’t necessarily fair use; It’s decided on a case by case basis. You can use as much as you need to get your point across; No more. If that’s 10 seconds, you can use 10 seconds. If that’s a minute, you can use a minute.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by raverbashing »

ratsmack wrote: post #53
panpanna wrote: post #3

The only way to fix this is to let you sue for damages + lawyer fees. As it is right now, you can earn lots of money by DMCA:ing popular creators, monetize on their content for a while (or a long time if they don't have a friend at Google who can escalate the issue).

Bringing a lawsuit is not an option for the vast majority of people, but it seems this is the first option many people suggest. Situations like this are more of a problem with our laws that largely protect the interests of large corporations over individuals and really need to be changed.

I'm sure that based on the amount of copyright trolling going on on YT there would be a lot of money to be made suing YT and the companies/individuals making the copyright strikes

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by wutbrodo »

sam0x17 wrote: post #149
wutbrodo wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ive always worked at a much higher level than infra, and I used to be similarly dismissive about the difficulty of infrastructure at scale until I had some exposure to it; You'd be surprised at how much talent and effort and money goes into delivering the volume of content that YouTube does at the reliability it does. The fact that I subconsciously always pick YouTube video search results links over the alternatives…

Right but all of that auto scaling has been essentially donated to the community in the form of google cloud platform and AWS. Now we have cloud functions / lambdas (that are capable of running ffmpeg), Kubernetes, S3, Docker, and a whole slew of things that make this task fairly trivial compared to how it was in say 2005. There also isn't any rule saying you have to do your video conversions server side. Imagine the…

> Kubernetes, S3, Docker, and a whole slew of things that make this task fairly trivial compared to how it was in say 2005.

Agreed, it's much _easier_ to do these things, but evidently not yet _easy_. Handwaving about who deserves credit is irrelevant compared to an analysis of whether executing on it is easy or not, and my (admittedly low-confidence) model,based on the empirics of the situation, is that its evidently still not that easy to reach the reliability and quality of YouTube as a service.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by bryanrasmussen »

Causality1 wrote: post #110
singron wrote: post #95

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How about this: your copyright claim accuracy becomes a multiplier for monetization payouts. E.g. if 100% of claims are correct, you keep all monetization. If 10% of claims are correct, you only get 10% of monetization. Also, if Google can show that the copyright claims are incorrect, then they get to keep the difference. Now copyright holders are incentivized to make accurate claims and Google is incentivized to fin…

How about every time a company files a frivolous claim they lose their ability to claim anything for an ever-increasing amount of time? An hour, 12 hours, 24 hours, etc up to a year.

since the ability to make copyright claims is required by law and there are requirements as to how platforms must respond to claims then any fix to the system that imagines ignoring the law in favor of its fix is bound to fail.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by icxa »

binarymax wrote: post #96
sieabahlpark wrote: post #88

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If a creator can't afford to publish content without a company striking their account then why would any creator stay? It's in their interest to make sure the platform is even viable to publish content.

Creators go where the consumers are. You can move to a different platform or start your own but you won’t get any viewers. It’s the equivalent of not liking the taxes in a city retail space, and moving your store out to the desert in protest.

What will end up happening is the major content creators, the ones that have massive followings will treat YouTube as the "advertisement" to the other platform they are on. "Hey guys thanks for checking out my video, here's a small preview. To view the full version, check me out at .com!" It's similar to what the big ones did with monetization (turned off all monetization, and now do in-video ads or some donation platform). Once that happens, there will be enough traffic on the new platform for enough medium size players to test the waters, then the whole thing will topple down. The only thing YT will have left is existing content, of which the only task remaining will be a race to archive what is currently on there.

Unlike a real desert, everyone can still reach you in your internet desert, and eventually it can become an internet oasis.

Then again, maybe once that happens YT will actually start to become content-creator friendly again.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Post by Jolter »

gatewaynode wrote: post #77

It would seem if you make money on YouTube you should also be formally copyrighting your work, so you can easily go after people who perform these monetization attacks and maximize compensation.

Works are copyrighted automatically under modern law. I'm not aware of any procedure to "formally copyright" a work.

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Post by detaro »

Jolter wrote: post #159
gatewaynode wrote: post #77

It would seem if you make money on YouTube you should also be formally copyrighting your work, so you can easily go after people who perform these monetization attacks and maximize compensation.

Works are copyrighted automatically under modern law. I'm not aware of any procedure to "formally copyright" a work.

In some countries (including the US) you can additionally "register copyright", and it makes enforcement easier or allows higher compensation, maybe that's what they're referring to.

That advice wouldn't help the british creator in this case though.

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