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The only way to fix this is to let you sue for damages + lawyer fees. As it is right now, you can earn lots of money by DMCA:ing popular creators, monetize on their content for a while (or a long time if they don't have a friend at Google who can escalate the issue).

The YouTube take down process where you steal video revenue does not involve the DMCA

This. Many people forget that Content ID isn’t the DMCA

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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I only use YouTube occasionally but if I do, it's mostly for geek stuff by exactly these kinds of individuals. Are there any signs that another platform will take YouTube's place in that regard during the next couple years? I mean sites like Vimeo and daily motion have been around since forever but never managed to weaken the critical mass that YouTube had due to it's head start. Then there's the occasional startup t…

> How much worse do things have to get on YouTube for individual creators to leave YouTube survived even the Real Name Policy during Google+ era. At this point, I can't think I think of anything that could do a permanent and immediate damage to YouTube popularity, even if they pull the equivalent of recent Tumblr purge. YouTube has enough momentum and its audience is way too diverse for it to fail overnight. Also, vi…

They're getting pretty annoying for viewers. Non-stop nags about trialing their subscriptions.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

#53
post #3

The only way to fix this is to let you sue for damages + lawyer fees. As it is right now, you can earn lots of money by DMCA:ing popular creators, monetize on their content for a while (or a long time if they don't have a friend at Google who can escalate the issue).

Bringing a lawsuit is not an option for the vast majority of people, but it seems this is the first option many people suggest. Situations like this are more of a problem with our laws that largely protect the interests of large corporations over individuals and really need to be changed.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now imagine it isn't YouTube but some other more significant privatized service near monopoly status, say a local grocery chain or car rental company, and they enforce a "policy" (say banning you) that is now difficult to separate from a law other than you have no voice and little recourse for action, especially as an individual. Privatized monopolies are in general small totalitarian government regimes that reign ov…

Let's go a step further: imagine living in a new company town that Google bought/built. Three DMCA-claims and you're in violation of TOS, all your content (including what's in your apartment) is deleted and you're kicked out of town and driven to the town limits. I'm sure there will still be people here who are quite happy with that because "it's not the government doing it" and they reckon they're not next in line f…

If Google builds a town in the U.S., they're still subject to state and federal laws, which have protections for tenants and requirements for due process. (If it's really a company town, then the company would be the municipal government.)

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would help if the damages were calculated as a percentage of revenue (or maybe equity) of the largest company involved in the clam. Mirimax subcontracted to a fly by night organization that sent 10,000 bogus takedown requests? Great. The damages are 10% of revenue. Since Disney is the parent, that would include Disney theme park tickets, cruise ships, the entire Star Wars franchise, etc. A 1% revenue hit per 1000…

What you’re looking for is called punitive damages, and already exists in the legal system (this is why McDonalds paid millions of dollars for a hot coffee). The goal is to actually open lawsuits including punitive damages for fraudulent or negligent DMCA requests.

FWIW there’s a lot more to that hot coffee lawsuit that people tend to generalize. It’s worth reading up on it.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now imagine it isn't YouTube but some other more significant privatized service near monopoly status, say a local grocery chain or car rental company, and they enforce a "policy" (say banning you) that is now difficult to separate from a law other than you have no voice and little recourse for action, especially as an individual. Privatized monopolies are in general small totalitarian government regimes that reign ov…

Let's go a step further: imagine living in a new company town that Google bought/built. Three DMCA-claims and you're in violation of TOS, all your content (including what's in your apartment) is deleted and you're kicked out of town and driven to the town limits. I'm sure there will still be people here who are quite happy with that because "it's not the government doing it" and they reckon they're not next in line f…

Pretty sure thats the plot of a Doctorow novel.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

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You see the inherent asymmetry of power in these massive platforms now. YouTube hasn't the slightest, tiniest imaginable incentive whatsoever to change their practices in any way here. This creator is just another meaningless bit of chaff in their grist mill of complete dominance over the web. People will get angry, retweet, do whatever, and YouTube will keep humming along. An unassailable behemoth whose total disregard for any form of fairness will never hurt it in any way.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

#59

When do we get to the point where people start acknowledging how insane the entire concept of copyright is.

The copyright concept is fine. Creators should enjoy the ownership of the products of their labor.

The problem is with the youtube's implementation. There are no negative effects for the large players who falsely claim copyright.

Re: “A company is copyright-claiming every video I have ever made”

#60

I only use YouTube occasionally but if I do, it's mostly for geek stuff by exactly these kinds of individuals. Are there any signs that another platform will take YouTube's place in that regard during the next couple years? I mean sites like Vimeo and daily motion have been around since forever but never managed to weaken the critical mass that YouTube had due to it's head start. Then there's the occasional startup t…

Twitch is poised to threaten YouTube. They have Amazon behind them financially, and their live streaming is beating YouTube's.

I would've loved it if it were PeerTube or something but the sad reality is that Twitch is the only platform that's even close to comparable to YouTube.
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