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You dont get keto acidosis by eating low carb, that is misinformation.
I made it very clear that it’s high ketones while diabetic that causes it. If you’d like to correct that in a more constructive way, that would be helpful.
Type 2 diabetes: NHS to offer 800-calorie diet treatment
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That is why there needs to be some visible and lasting penalties...as in if you have a disease like diabetes that you can prevent or fix by simply eating better and not eating so much - then you are responsible for any and all medical costs associated with it. We don't allow insurance claims if you purposefully wreck your car or burn your house down; why do we allow this when it comes to your health?
If you think "simply eating better and not eating so much" is "simple", you don't understand people. All our evidence is that it is by no means simple for most people. It's a problem that's about as hard to deal with as drug addiction. Furthermore, it is a social problem, in that we as a society allow businesses to exploit peoples weaknesses without covering the social costs of the problems they are causing, and give…
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#153Losing a lot of weight with very low calorie diets is hard, but not regaining it over the next couple of years is next to impossible. Your body will try all the tricks in the book, it will reduce your metabolism to way below that of the person of the same weight, it will amp up your hunger hormones so much that you will think and dream about food 24/7. Only 5 to 7% of people that lose a large amount weight are able t…
The mechanism = not staying on your "diet" permanently.
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One problem afflicting us now is that people eat too much, consequently weigh too much, damage their health, and balloon healthcare expenses society-wide. If a pill can make people eat less, why reject it? If a medication solves a problem, it solves a problem. You can't say "X doesn't work" when X does, in fact, work, and then expect people to take you seriously. You're adopting a moralizing stance here, one that say…
> You can't say "X doesn't work" when X does, in fact, work, and then expect people to take you seriously. > You're adopting a moralizing stance here, one that says that gain without pain is illegitimate. No, I'm saying that a pill won't solve the root problem. You make people skinny with a pill, you just end up with unhealthy, malnourished skinny people who insulin is all out of wack and who will still get heart att…
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#155The 800 calories they are eating doesn't seem terribly healthy: "patients were asked to follow either a ‘home-made’ milk- and fruit-juice-based diet (811 kcal/day, 64 g protein, 132 g carbohydrate, 6 g fat) with a multivitamin/mineral supplement (Forceval® [Alliance]), or a micronutrient-replete commercial LELD (832 kcal/day, 87 g protein, 120 g carbohydrate, 12 g fat). I imagine these people are probably staving...…
A lot of people here are suggesting, like you, that a low-carbs diet or ketos can help your body "heal" from T2D. I just don't see why starving yourself from carbs, which is like the basis of life for your cells, is going to help. From what I gleaned here and there, T2D is more linked to fat-heavy diet, which clutters blood vessels and keeps yours cells from absorbing the insulin your body produces, thus preventing t…
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Citations for the 5 to 7% would be nice. Here's a meta analysis that states otherwise. https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/74/5/579/4737391
Per that study, "This analysis of 5-y weight-loss maintenance indicates, on average, that obese individuals maintained weight losses of 3.0 kg, representing a reduced weight of 3.2% below initial body weight. These individuals were successfully maintaining a weightloss averaging 23.4% of their initial weight loss at 5y" Put another way, after 5 years, the average weight loss was ~3kg, with an average weight gain of 7…
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Bodybuilders eat plenty of carbs.
No they don't. A bodybuilding diet is mostly protein, then certain fats, then starchy carbs at the right time (breakfast and post-workout).
Just about every bodybuilder slams carbs, all day long.
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It's going to be extremely difficult to confirm to 800 calories consisting almost entirely of carbs - very few people are going to succeed with this.
Neither of those consist almost entirely of carbs.
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Bodybuilders eat plenty of carbs.
Not sure why this is being downvoted, bodybuilders do eat carbs - they just time them appropriately. If you're about to work out, carbohydrates will help you get through it. On the other hand, if you're going to be sedentary for a while, or you're really trying to prioritize fat loss, you probably wouldn't eat as many carbs. Of course, Keto is a thing, but I haven't heard many stories of bodybuilders that actually ta…
Unless they're prepping for a contest, which is not what they spend the majority of their time doing.
Re: Type 2 diabetes: NHS to offer 800-calorie diet treatment
#160You absolutely don’t need such caloric restriction to revert diabetes. All it takes is a very low carb or keto diet. Even without exercise.
Problem is keeping it, as almost everyone can keep the diet for a few months. We all know what we should do but don't, sometimes until is too late. The person that invents a pill to trick our genes not to seek what was once rare (fat, sweets, carbs etc) will be a trillionaire. When our current genes were stamped "we" maybe had to hunt for days to eat once. Now we drive to McDonalds, order our or open the fridge door.…