2016 report by ARS Technica: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/03/repor... 2017 followup by ARS Technica: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/02/apple... So the story is 2 years old from a reporting standpoint.
AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of Chinese spy chip story
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Re: AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of Chinese spy chip story
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
> they had to go with anonymous sources as opposed to any physical evidence What do you mean by the second part of this? Bloomberg should have received examples of comprised boards?
Or gone to AWS/Apple and club and asked them to investigate before publishing...
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#153(disclaimer: I worked at AWS from 2008 to 2014 as Technology Evangelist, and know Andy Jassy personally) I know nothing specific about the issue per se, but I am convinced that Andy Jassy is speaking the truth here, for two reasons: 1) I've never seen a company as obsessed with security as AWS, and/or with such a big budget for security. 2) There's so many actors/employees involved in the audits, security, etc, that…
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#154There should be hundreds of thousands or millions of these hacked motherboards, and nobody has found a single one despite hardware geeks worldwide searching like it was Willy Wonka's final golden ticket. This story was bogus, it most likely came from a ton of rumors that got conflated, hence why they had to go with anonymous sources as opposed to any physical evidence. I'd be surprised if Bloomberg has any credibilit…
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well yes, haha, but if they knew or should've known that what they were reported was false and it causes monetary damages, then they can be taken to civil court. So, if they are sued they will be fighting to prove that they believed this article was true when they published it. Since Joe Fitzpatrick, one of the sources, has already come out and said that he speculated some hypotheticals that then made it into the sto…
It's the same thing as "Funding secured!"
Re: AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of Chinese spy chip story
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
"There should be hundreds of thousands or millions of these hacked motherboards" No, the boards would be selectively hacked. And we know it happens because 'we' do it as well. Surely there is evidence floating around but it's also unlikely that companies would want to admit the breach. I kind of believe Apple and Amazon though, there's too much risk if they were to be caught lying. This is a weird one ...
Bloomberg claims that there is evidence floating around - unless they're bluffing, they should be able to show evidence of at least one such motherboard, instead of CGI graphics showing how it might look. Have they seen any actual hard evidence? Noone is disputing that the described attack vector is possible, but if Bloomberg has not properly verified if it actually has happened , then their article becomes a lie; an…
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#157As a press outlet they have a pretty solid defense in the first amendment
They pay their journalists bonuses if they move the market. That gives some pretty perverse incentives to the journalists.
Re: AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of Chinese spy chip story
#158If Bloomberg ends up retracting the story, then the new question, for me, is how did this happen? Was it simply Bloomberg trying to get views? Or is it more interesting, like did their "sources" intentionally give them a fake story in order to hurt their credibility? Or was it to cast doubt on the anti-China stories in general?
It should be pointed out that Bloomberg authors get bonuses if they write stories that move the market: https://www.businessinsider.com/bloomberg-reporters-compensa... Not saying that was necessarily a motivation here, but it's worth pointing out.
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#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
What evidence do you have that AATIP was a disinformation campaign? The UFO story was extremely weird, but I've seen no evidence that the Pentagon fabricated the footage, or somehow coerced Fravor into lying on primetime TV. Moreover, what would the Pentagon gain by running a UFO psy-op?
> Moreover, what would the Pentagon gain by running a UFO psy-op? I've always wondered whether the magnitude of UFO sighting reports make it more difficult to glean intelligence about US aircraft/reconnaissance research. If, for example, Area 51 was responsible for cutting edge stealth aircraft research, it would be much more difficult to spy on the program through the civilian population if real sightings are indist…
I don't have the citation on hand but the declassified PBB files are available on the Internet Archive.
Re: AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of Chinese spy chip story
#160Jordan Robertson was on TV saying companies have no "advantage" in "confirming" his reporting because "no consumer data [was] stolen." He seems to take very casually the distinction between "not disclosing" something and outright lying and engaging in an industry-wide conspiracy about it. He later tried to walk back that line but it's an interesting window into their mindset. It doesn't strike me as particularly strong journalistic reasoning.
[1] https://daringfireball.net/linked/2018/10/22/jassy-bloomberg...