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AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of Chinese spy chip story

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Re: AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of Chinese spy chip story

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Post by sonnyblarney »

jackconnor wrote: post #16

There should be hundreds of thousands or millions of these hacked motherboards, and nobody has found a single one despite hardware geeks worldwide searching like it was Willy Wonka's final golden ticket. This story was bogus, it most likely came from a ton of rumors that got conflated, hence why they had to go with anonymous sources as opposed to any physical evidence. I'd be surprised if Bloomberg has any credibilit…

"There should be hundreds of thousands or millions of these hacked motherboards"

No, the boards would be selectively hacked.

And we know it happens because 'we' do it as well.

Surely there is evidence floating around but it's also unlikely that companies would want to admit the breach.

I kind of believe Apple and Amazon though, there's too much risk if they were to be caught lying.

This is a weird one ...

Re: AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of Chinese spy chip story

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Post by jackconnor »

steve19 wrote: post #56
kevinmchugh wrote: post #39

As a press outlet they have a pretty solid defense in the first amendment

They pay their journalists bonuses if they move the market. That gives some pretty perverse incentives to the journalists.

Omg this is true, I thought you were being hyperbolic. This is one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard in journalism, https://www.businessinsider.com/bloomberg-reporters-compensa...

Re: AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of Chinese spy chip story

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Post by fanzhang »

The lack of confirming evidence is a strong sign the Bloomberg reporters were played. It's interesting to wonder who might have done that though -- US businesses who might gain? Those from within the administration?

Regardless of the truthfulness of the report, the damage is done and the hack story fits in well for the protectionist trajectory the US is taking.

Re: AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of Chinese spy chip story

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Post by bcruddy »

wyldfire wrote: post #50

The denials seem convincing. And yet the story seems very much plausible. US NSA does these kinds of attacks, why not China? > They offered no proof, story kept changing, and showed no interest in our answers unless we could validate their theories If that's really the case then it seems likely that their source may have indeed deceived them. But don't they have multiple sources? > The article also claims ... we cond…

The NSA has never done something on this scale. With sec researchers looking at _everything_ right now it would have been uncovered by now. The major point in this story wasn't a hardware hack, it was a hardware hack on a MASSIVE scale, a scale that would have to be treated as an act of war against the _rest of the world_.

If this article were true it would have been the first public volley in WWIII.

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fanzhang wrote: post #63

The lack of confirming evidence is a strong sign the Bloomberg reporters were played. It's interesting to wonder who might have done that though -- US businesses who might gain? Those from within the administration? Regardless of the truthfulness of the report, the damage is done and the hack story fits in well for the protectionist trajectory the US is taking.

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Re: AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of Chinese spy chip story

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Post by unethical_ban »

elejo wrote: post #52

Elephant in the room: we shouldn't trust journalists to begin with.

This is a pretty cavalier comment for a brand new poster. Welcome to Hacker News, where deep discussion is welcome.

The issue with trust in journalism is a real one, and as "deepfakes" and the current problems with the perceptions of "fake news" and "anything I don't like to hear is probably made up", the question of faith/trust in journalism and reporting is huge.

I don't think trust in journalism should go down. I think that when journalists and publications are caught with misleading or inaccurate stories, it should be in their interest to catch the problems and self-correct. The name of an institution is its integrity: It is built over time, and can lose its value quicker than it gains it.

There are correct ways to do journalism.

Re: AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of Chinese spy chip story

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Post by gregcrv »

JoshTko wrote: post #35
hckdff wrote: post #8

Call me a cynic, but the more these aholes call for a retraction the more I feel the story has legs. Even if it isn't true it's very plausibility is what scares them shitless.

So how should have Apple and Amazon acted if they were indeed truly innocent? Their behavior seems to be very consistent with what they are saying.

Maybe let's let the justice system figure things out?

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Post by briandear »

wyldfire wrote: post #50

The denials seem convincing. And yet the story seems very much plausible. US NSA does these kinds of attacks, why not China? > They offered no proof, story kept changing, and showed no interest in our answers unless we could validate their theories If that's really the case then it seems likely that their source may have indeed deceived them. But don't they have multiple sources? > The article also claims ... we cond…

Plausible doesn’t mean “it happened.” It’s plausible that a convicted thief might steal again; that doesn’t give a news outlet to write, “anonymous sources said Joe Thief stole something from Target.” No evidence at all other than “Joe Thief” could have conceivably stolen something just because he happened to be at Target.

A lot of things are “plausible” but accusing people of having done the thing versus, it would be possible doesn’t rise to the standards necessary to maintain journalistic integrity.

Enough with printing anonymously sourced speculation as fact! Good journalists get sources on the record and, if they use anonymous sources, use them for background and not as primary sources. See Woodward and Berstein’s work on Watergate on how to use anonymous sources correctly.

Re: AWS CEO Jassy follows Apple in calling for retraction of Chinese spy chip story

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Post by scarcely »

wpdev_63 wrote: post #6

I really have little doubt that the Chinese are integrating their spy chips into computer hardware going to the big four or even the pentagon. It's probably how they stole the designs to the f-35[you know that plane that costs over a trillion dollars to develop]. It would catastrophic if apple knew or even acknowledges the possibility of the Chinese having a backdoor into their servers and would result in massive shi…

Why are you posting the exact same comment you posted three days ago word for word? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18259097 Are you conducting some kind of controlled experiment and using HN commenters as lab rats?
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