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Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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You might like that : root@localhost:~# links -dump ' https://web.archive.org/web/20160826003417/https://medium.co... | nc seashells.io 1337 Results at https://pastebin.com/SMGBscz2

Hey, seashells is neat. I can't get a non-http port out of corporate nannywall though.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Are you from US? In EU we had many similar rules that were in the public favor and hit the big corporations, the one I am thinking now is the roaming phone charges, big companies lost a lot of profit from this, so you can see that this big companies do not have the power yet to change the laws for their own profits. But I see a lot of anti EU sentiments here on HN, anything EU does is painted as anti american or anti…

> from inside EU we see it as for the people/society No we don't. Some of us do and some of us do not. You are self-admittedly in the former group, I am not. Also, just because something cost big companies money on one front does not mean it doesn't increase the monopolistic power of said companies and even increase revenues on another. Let me use your own example as a hypothesis we will be able to observationally fa…

I think we should not be afraid of making laws and rules because we are afraid of unintended consequences, if we have such side effects we can update the law.

Your point is that we should not have made the security belt mandatory in cars because there could be a side effect somewhere like a person won't be able to evacuate in time, the idea is to calculate the benefits and the drawbacks and if benefits are much larger then we make the law and update it later.

I am sorry if a small telecom company can't adapt and compete without the roaming charges but we should not pay billions to the big companies so this small company also survives, we can make laws to help small companies like preventing abuses from big companies

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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When you published your article though, you wanted people to read it. You can't blame the people around you for changing your mind. And "nothing gets deleted on the internet".

I won't blame people for storing a private copy, but I will blame people for sharing such copy if it is against my will, especially if they're claiming it is their right and thus my integrity has to suffer.

You are breaking the social contract of copyright when trying to use it as a tool of censorship. The whole underlying rationale for modern copyright was spelled out in the first country to adopt it:

>To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries.

We, the people, trade our natural right of copying and selling anything we see for the benefit of increased dissemination of art and science.

Your integrity is kept perfectly pristine if your work only stays in your draw. The second you publish your work it is no longer yours.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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When I delete an article from my blog, it's because I don't want anyone to be able to read it anymore. Be it shame, inaccuracy, change of mood, etc... I think there is something fundamentally wrong with wanting to have EVERYTHING backed up at all time against the creators' will.

Yes, I think that's pretty obvious. This is an issue of the public's interest vs the author's interest. Of course anyone would like to rewrite history to suit themselves. It does a disservice to everyone else however.

"We were always at war with East Asia" and all that.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Archive.is doesn't seem to be affected by the redirect strategy. article: http://archive.is/gPcBW

Archive.is is awesome. It just works.

Archive.is is awesome but I’ve seen multiple really big sites archive poorly. Some of them because the version of Chrome that archive.is is using is getting quite old.

They are running Chrome/41.0, which was released in the beginning of 2015.

https://archive.is/3PxoF

> It is very tricky to run, it depends on an exact version of Chrome, which binary also must be patched in order to reduce security (to allow saving content of frames, etc).

https://blog.archive.is/post/45984102073/can-the-archived-pa...

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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I assume they'll continue as now: take down copies on request. It's not like they didn't have to deal with content people didn't want to archive them before.

I doubt it. GDPR is the obvious next step in the war on GPC (memory specifically). archive.org exists to fix that. If they fall because some other country has no 1st, they fail. Other people have copies. Who exits next?

GPC?

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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When I delete an article from my blog, it's because I don't want anyone to be able to read it anymore. Be it shame, inaccuracy, change of mood, etc... I think there is something fundamentally wrong with wanting to have EVERYTHING backed up at all time against the creators' will.

Sounds like you need the GDPR's "Right to be Forgotten" clause to be in effect.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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I think this is more likely to be unintentional. As another comment mentioned, article.is isn't affected. If you want to remove things from the Internet Archive, you can do so using your robots.txt: https://archive.org/about/faqs.php#14 https://www.fightcyberstalking.org/how-to-block-your-website...

robots.txt is really only supposed to be used for blocking the Internet Archives first snapshot, and not to remove existing snapshots – and even this might not be the case in the future as they try to preserve most snapshots. They made a few policy changes last year[1] to how they handle robots.txt files, to handle cases where a domain is sold and a new robots.txt file would result in deleting old data among other th…

Interesting. I wasn't aware that it no longer applies retroactively. Even so, medium.com's robots.txt still doesn't try to block new crawling by the Internet Archiver:

https://medium.com/robots.txt

Or via WBM for posterity: https://web.archive.org/web/20180430183503/https://medium.co...

It seems unlikely to me that they would deliberately go to this length to prevent archival, yet not attempt to prevent it happening to begin with. Furthermore, as mentioned in your link, they still accept removal requests via email.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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A simple solution: don't publish things you don't want people to read. This is no different to burning books that the authors no longer support the views in.

So you're incentivizing people not to write. That's bad, we should encourage people to write. It's OK to make mistakes. I see this problem as an even bigger problem with kids. Kids put everything they do online, and they will probably be ashamed of a lot of these things later in life. Comparing that to Facebook: I guess I shouldn't upload pictures on Facebook because it's against my right to want to see one of my old…

> It's OK to make mistakes.

A sentiment that is harder to sell if people erase all evidence of their mistakes.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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This means this should be applied to everyone because how do you check that someone is an EU resident? Should websites display a page requesting visitor to upload their residency certificate to be complaint?

No, it means they have to apply to people connecting from the EU.

Have you any document from a data protection authority or lawyer that makes this claim? or even close to it?
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