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Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by walshemj »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #64
jakeogh wrote: post #59

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Conflating information with feeding someone poison food is so par.

Your objection is not helpful. Being careless with personal data has harmful consequences. Being careless with food safety has harmful consequences. This is why these things are related.

what personal data is being exposed - the EU isn't keen on anonymous publishing in general eg in the UK any thing published by a political party during elections etc must have both the printers name and their agents - the penalties are quite severe .

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by baby »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #136
baby wrote: post #94

When I delete an article from my blog, it's because I don't want anyone to be able to read it anymore. Be it shame, inaccuracy, change of mood, etc... I think there is something fundamentally wrong with wanting to have EVERYTHING backed up at all time against the creators' will.

When you published your article though, you wanted people to read it. You can't blame the people around you for changing your mind. And "nothing gets deleted on the internet".

I won't blame people for storing a private copy, but I will blame people for sharing such copy if it is against my will, especially if they're claiming it is their right and thus my integrity has to suffer.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by baby »

zeth___ wrote: post #108
baby wrote: post #102

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So you're incentivizing people not to write. That's bad, we should encourage people to write. It's OK to make mistakes. I see this problem as an even bigger problem with kids. Kids put everything they do online, and they will probably be ashamed of a lot of these things later in life. Comparing that to Facebook: I guess I shouldn't upload pictures on Facebook because it's against my right to want to see one of my old…

If no one can read an a book what good is it? You are purposefully muddying the issue of access. If you upload your pictures on a password protected ftp server no one will know or care when you delete them. If you upload them on a publicly accessible website, despite what outdated laws on copyright say, you won't be able to withdraw them and that's a feature. Facebook is a monstrosity that pretends to be a password p…

I wrote a book and never published it, the only person who's read it is me.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by walshemj »

icebraining wrote: post #119
merinowool wrote: post #82

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And the effect is quite the opposite as consumption of drug and addiction is much more prevalent than in the places where it is legal. So regulation could have good intentions - and a lot of people believe in the intentions - but the effects are the opposite.

Where are drugs generally legal?

You just have to look at the effects of the 18th amendment to see the point the OP is making.

In the USA it caused massive increase in organized crime and corruption - the effects of which are still with the US today

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by jfaucett »

simion314 wrote: post #124
merinowool wrote: post #85

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But the public is presented as if its purpose was to curb drug addiction. Could be the same with GDPR - great intentions, but the true reason is to entrench big corporations and introduce more barriers of entry for the small guy, which is inline with socialist agenda.

Are you from US? In EU we had many similar rules that were in the public favor and hit the big corporations, the one I am thinking now is the roaming phone charges, big companies lost a lot of profit from this, so you can see that this big companies do not have the power yet to change the laws for their own profits. But I see a lot of anti EU sentiments here on HN, anything EU does is painted as anti american or anti…

> from inside EU we see it as for the people/society

No we don't. Some of us do and some of us do not. You are self-admittedly in the former group, I am not.

Also, just because something cost big companies money on one front does not mean it doesn't increase the monopolistic power of said companies and even increase revenues on another. Let me use your own example as a hypothesis we will be able to observationally falsify or not in the coming years. By eliminating roaming charges many smaller companies in the space will have to compensate for the loss of funds and will therefore either have to reduce their current plans, drop service offerings outside of the current country, or eventually collapse entirely. Regardless of the outcome, the total market competition has decreased and ultimately the mega corporations stand to win through decreased overall competition in the space. Additionally, due to lack of monetary incentives, I would expect the rate of innovation in large-scale roaming technology and infrastructure to decrease compared to countries which do not have such legislation.

Socio-economical systems are complex and nonlinear in nature, unfortunately, we i.e. humans have not evolved to think well about nonlinearities neither have we built ourselves sufficient tooling to augment our prediction capabilities for such systems. IMHO, this is the well-spring for the difference between intentions and outcomes in regulatory policy.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by fasj82 »

baby wrote: post #102
zeth___ wrote: post #98

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A simple solution: don't publish things you don't want people to read. This is no different to burning books that the authors no longer support the views in.

So you're incentivizing people not to write. That's bad, we should encourage people to write. It's OK to make mistakes. I see this problem as an even bigger problem with kids. Kids put everything they do online, and they will probably be ashamed of a lot of these things later in life. Comparing that to Facebook: I guess I shouldn't upload pictures on Facebook because it's against my right to want to see one of my old…

>It's OK to make mistakes.

We should punish mistakes. Especially stupid mistakes.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by icebraining »

merinowool wrote: post #104
icebraining wrote: post #48

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Nitpick, but as far as I understand it, it's only EU residents (regardless of their citizenship). The specific text says "data subjects who are in the Union", and citizen never appears in it. (This is for foreign businesses. EU businesses have to apply it to everyone , regardless of their location or citizenship.)

This means this should be applied to everyone because how do you check that someone is an EU resident? Should websites display a page requesting visitor to upload their residency certificate to be complaint?

No, it means they have to apply to people connecting from the EU.

Re: Medium tries to prevent people reading deleted articles on the Wayback Machine?

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Post by nasredin »

scandox wrote: post #15
phnofive wrote: post #9

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Awesome. I am stepping through the page execution and trying to figure out what is embedded in the page that would cause a redirect if the article is deleted. Did you find it?

No. I took the view that a much more intelligent HN user would do that for me.

Expect a promotion soon.
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