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Post by Apfel »

arprocter wrote: post #121
Fripplebubby wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meanwhile in the UK I have had many places accept my expired US license from a rural state most have not even heard of. Once at a supermarket, a cashier asked me for ID and I absent mindedly said "No thanks". He was satisfied with that answer, and I didn't realize what I had said until I had already left with my drinks in hand.

The UK is pretty relaxed. If you're 16+ you can drink beer, wine or cider with your meal if it's bought by an adult. And in that scenario it would be rare to be asked to prove you aren't 15

I'm a 28 year old British man who is still regularly id'd. It's not all that relaxed in my experience...

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Post by simplyluke »

maxerickson wrote: post #65
celticninja wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are in America too, adult enough to marry, adult enough to join the army and die for your country, adult enough to drive, smoke cigarettes (and weed in some states), have sex (gay sex too) but not old enough to drink alcohol.

Purchase alcohol. There's all sorts of situations where it is legal for minors to drink alcohol. Like for example, when accompanied by a parent in a bar in Wisconsin.

That and religious ceremony are the only two common ones I'm aware of.

Anything else and it can be used to throw the book at you in a lot of ways.

I had a friend kicked out of our high school graduation because a teacher disliked him, convinced an officer to breathalyze him, and he blew a ~.02 if I'm remembering correctly. He'd had a beer with his parents at dinner before the ceremony, but by the time that was all sorted it was well after the ceremony had ended. Kid didn't walk the stage at his own graduation because of a power hungry teacher and a (legal) beer his parents gave him.

In most states in the US having any alcohol at all in your system or being in possession of it is very much a crime and the burden of proof is on you that it was consumed legally.

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Post by treehau5 »

delecti wrote: post #80
celticninja wrote: post #64

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This doesn't make any sense. Doesn't matter your age if you have to drive to/from the bar and drink driving is illegal, what difference does being 18 or 21 make?

Drunk driving goes down quite notably with age > https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impa... "Among drivers with BAC levels of 0.08% or higher involved in fatal crashes in 2014, three out of every 10 were between 21 and 24 years of age (30%). The next two largest groups were ages 25 to 34 (29%) and 35 to 44 (24%)." It's not unreasonable to assume the 18-20 age group would be a similarly high perce…

And that is why your insurance gets significantly cheaper when you turn 25.

And no it's not unreasonable at all to assume that. I am frightened enough as it is by drivers under 25, heck some of that is thinking back to 18, 20, 23 year old me driving.

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Post by selectodude »

kuschku wrote: post #140
mhb wrote: post #82

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Isn't this a zoning problem rather than a size problem? Does zoning generally allow having a neighborhood bar?

In large parts of Europe, there are mixed use buildings – shops, sometimes bars, etc lowest floor, and then offices and apartments above. Add in the availability of public transit, and you can basically always go to whatever bar you wish without driving.

A bunch of trains that don't run after midnight.

Plenty of US cities have 24 hour bus service too.

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by flyingfences »

Analemma_ wrote: post #148
The_Hoff wrote: post #35

> The options for payment were Bitcoin and Western Union; since I’m neither a Russian hacker nor a Dark Web impresario, I opted for the latter. This is so frustrating for me to read. Western Union has its own set of problems and its users throw money away on fees, but why is cryptocurrency being thought of as a only being used by Russian Hackers and Dark Web impresarios?

> and its users throw money away on fees, Have you seen the transaction fees for Bitcoin lately?

Still cheaper than WU. A typical BTC txn fee is somewhere in the ballpark of $0.50 right now. The author of this article paid WU a txn fee of $14 if I'm reading it right.

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by celticninja »

eloisant wrote: post #122
celticninja wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't make any sense. Doesn't matter your age if you have to drive to/from the bar and drink driving is illegal, what difference does being 18 or 21 make?

I guess when you're 16 (you can drive at 16 in US) you're more likely to make a bad decision about driving and drinking maybe.

Weird that it is the drinking they regulate more, where usually injuries are done to your own person and not the driving where you are in charge of a serious amount of metal capable of injuring or killing others. 16 year olds make stupid decisions with or without alcohol.

Re: Fake IDs in the age of the internet

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Post by celticninja »

maxerickson wrote: post #65
celticninja wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are in America too, adult enough to marry, adult enough to join the army and die for your country, adult enough to drive, smoke cigarettes (and weed in some states), have sex (gay sex too) but not old enough to drink alcohol.

Purchase alcohol. There's all sorts of situations where it is legal for minors to drink alcohol. Like for example, when accompanied by a parent in a bar in Wisconsin.

Purchase and consume in all but a very narrow set of circumstances, the same (or similar) ones that apply most places, i.e in the home, with your parents.

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Post by gozur88 »

delecti wrote: post #80
celticninja wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't make any sense. Doesn't matter your age if you have to drive to/from the bar and drink driving is illegal, what difference does being 18 or 21 make?

Drunk driving goes down quite notably with age > https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/impaired_driving/impa... "Among drivers with BAC levels of 0.08% or higher involved in fatal crashes in 2014, three out of every 10 were between 21 and 24 years of age (30%). The next two largest groups were ages 25 to 34 (29%) and 35 to 44 (24%)." It's not unreasonable to assume the 18-20 age group would be a similarly high perce…

By the same token it's not unreasonable to assume if the drinking age were 18, the 21-24 group would see fewer alcohol-involved fatal crashes. What makes the most sense to me would be to lower the drinking age to 16 or so and raise the driving age to 18.

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Post by SmellyGeekBoy »

mootothemax wrote: post #71
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #5

The mass use of fake IDs of this sort is a bizarrely American problem. In the UK, you're considered an adult at age 18. Most (aside from the unfortunate 17-year-olds) university students can legally purchase alcohol, smoke, or gamble if they so choose. But we don't have MADD, I guess.

>The mass use of fake IDs of this sort is a bizarrely American problem. In the UK, you're considered an adult at age 18. Most (aside from the unfortunate 17-year-olds) university students can legally purchase alcohol, smoke, or gamble if they so choose. In the late 90s, when I was 16-17 and doing my A levels in the South East, plenty of people had fake "Prove It" cards and the like. If you wanted to grab a drink at a…

> I dunno, maybe I just hung out with the wrong crowd?

You and me both. I remember going out "in town" drinking and watching live bands from the age of 14, fake ID in hand. Pretty much all of my friends had them. Good times.

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Post by makerbraker »

simplyluke wrote: post #149
TazeTSchnitzel wrote: post #5

The mass use of fake IDs of this sort is a bizarrely American problem. In the UK, you're considered an adult at age 18. Most (aside from the unfortunate 17-year-olds) university students can legally purchase alcohol, smoke, or gamble if they so choose. But we don't have MADD, I guess.

The craziest part of it in the US, to me, is that everyone involved knows it's BS. Most vendors/bouncers in a college town are going to know the kid handing them a florida ID thousands of miles away from florida is almost certainly a fake - the fakes being produced by IDGod and most of the other college vendors are pretty terrible. They don't care though, it's enough to keep them from being fined/losing an alcohol li…

(A little off-topic but...)

In the last 5 years or such, that lax attitude towards IDs has changed.

Police departments in large cities, are asking bar owners to use the ID "verification" machines to check IDs at the door. And in some cases, that ask is making its way into the state's alcohol control departments' policies.

> http://www.idscanner.com/legal/new-york-id-scanner-law-affir...

I put verification in quotes, because while these machines verify the data on your ID, what they actually do is record the magstripe data for later downloading.

That data can then be downloaded by for CRM purposes, or likely by your PD after a crime, to gain a list of potential suspects and/or witnesses.

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