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HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by PavlovsCat »

vlehto wrote: post #51
woliveirajr wrote: post #21

Laser OKI color printer isn't different. Each toner (CMYK) has a life based on printed pages and stop working even if there's toner inside. No third part supplier, because the printer won't recognize it. And it's useless torefill it if you don't change some chip in each toner. And then the fusor will also stop after some number of pages, no matter if the quality was still good. To replace it you spend more than you p…

Life based on printed pages would be OK. If you actually print the number pages you promise, I can compare the total costs of cartridges and printers. But I think some models also have timer. After 6 months or year, the printer starts to complain that the ink has "dried up". To prohibit you from saving up that unicorn blood by printing less. By banned list is HP, Canon and I'm very cautious about Samsung.

Would you buy a water bottle that contains a certain amount of water but closes itself after X sips regardless of remaining content?

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Post by Devid2014 »

bobajeff wrote: post #110
Animats wrote: post #7

There's the Epson Eco-Tank series. Ink is in four bottles at the side of the machine, good for about 4000-6000 pages. Refill with Epson ink bottles or (a bit more messily) from bulk ink. The printer costs about $279. You do have to clean the print heads occasionally. That's the price of long life print heads.

The only problem of epson is it sounds like (from the reviews) that they have bad Wireless support which is kind of a must for some people like me who use their phone to print.

Strange I have no problems with Wireless at all using ET-2550.

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by rayiner »

petra wrote: post #148
cantrevealname wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Excellent advice, but just one problem. For most sites, you had to have bought the product to submit a review, or to submit a credible review ("verified purchaser"). I personally stopped buying anything from HP years ago. So HN readers and techies in general are in the ironic position of having better judgment about the products but less able to influence the manufacturers. It's like hoping to see informed advice fro…

Even if it's not a verified-purchase , it's still counts in Amazon's count of percentage of 1 star reviews.

On principle I hate the idea of encouraging people to submit reviews for products that they haven't purchased. It's a crime worse than time-bombing generic printer cartridges and makes online reviews basically worthless.

I don't give a shit about your moral stand against HP. Give me an honest review of a product you own or don't say anything.

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by [deleted] »

Animats wrote: post #7

There's the Epson Eco-Tank series. Ink is in four bottles at the side of the machine, good for about 4000-6000 pages. Refill with Epson ink bottles or (a bit more messily) from bulk ink. The printer costs about $279. You do have to clean the print heads occasionally. That's the price of long life print heads.

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Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by kentt »

nine_k wrote: post #146

Stop buying dirt-cheap printers that are sold at a loss. These are designed to be paid off by expensive toner / ink. These are designed to make you waste the supplies if you don't use them up fast enough. They are designed to reject third-party cheaper supplies. Pay a couple hundred more upfront for a no-bullshit device. I hope those still exist.

I agree. Another option is to research which printers can trivially have their bullshit disabled. I bought a $30 printer about 5 years ago that I refill with bottles of toner for $2. The 'modding' involved a piece of tape over sensor.

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Post by copperx »

dec0dedab0de wrote: post #79

As an aside, does anyone remember the last time they were happy with ANY HP product? Everytime I see that logo I get chills knowing what a pain in the ass it's going to be. Edit: I am specifically thinking about HPSM, and HPNA here.

HP calculators are awesome and more rugged than TI's.

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Post by copperx »

imglorp wrote: post #76
ne01 wrote: post #37

Liberate yourself from softwares/products like this! We used to own the stuff we paid for! Now it's like you pay to be the product. I think this problem is worse in software. Checkout fsf.org

Stallman was right...

First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you...

Re: HP Allegedly Time Bombs Unofficial Ink Cartridges from Working in Its Printers

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Post by vlehto »

PavlovsCat wrote: post #151
vlehto wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Life based on printed pages would be OK. If you actually print the number pages you promise, I can compare the total costs of cartridges and printers. But I think some models also have timer. After 6 months or year, the printer starts to complain that the ink has "dried up". To prohibit you from saving up that unicorn blood by printing less. By banned list is HP, Canon and I'm very cautious about Samsung.

Would you buy a water bottle that contains a certain amount of water but closes itself after X sips regardless of remaining content?

Thats bad analogy. I could easily just sip three times every time and have empty bottle. If that bottle was cheaper than regular bottle, then sure.

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Post by jest3r1 »

nine_k wrote: post #146

Stop buying dirt-cheap printers that are sold at a loss. These are designed to be paid off by expensive toner / ink. These are designed to make you waste the supplies if you don't use them up fast enough. They are designed to reject third-party cheaper supplies. Pay a couple hundred more upfront for a no-bullshit device. I hope those still exist.

Ya, it's our fault for looking for a deal?

How can you guarantee that paying a couple hundred more upfront would save us all from this pre meditated corporate gluttony?

Stop buying printers from companies that build in mechanisms to purposely brick them. Buying a high-end HP is just as risky in my opinion, based on this story.

Cannon is another company to avoid. They just settled a similar potential class action: http://www.therecycler.com/posts/canon-faces-class-actions-o...

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Post by tamana »

rayiner wrote: post #153
petra wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if it's not a verified-purchase , it's still counts in Amazon's count of percentage of 1 star reviews.

On principle I hate the idea of encouraging people to submit reviews for products that they haven't purchased. It's a crime worse than time-bombing generic printer cartridges and makes online reviews basically worthless. I don't give a shit about your moral stand against HP. Give me an honest review of a product you own or don't say anything.

You think sharing honest information to help people is worse than lying for profit?
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