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Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by nness »

ubernostrum wrote: post #57
ourmandave wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just got upgraded Saturday and the EULA specifically says that you can't bring a class action lawsuit against them. They want you to try arbitration for 60 days and if that doesn't work then you can try small claims. Yeah, sure. Anyway I had two problems afterwards. It logged me into a TEMP account so no config changes were saved and my files appeared to be all missing. They weren't, it just the shortcuts all point…

I know clickwrap EULAs have been contentious, but can a EULA for something you didn't even ask for and didn't want in the first place be forced on you against your will?

I believe this stuff is contained in the EULA you've already agreed to, not the new EULA.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by marvy »

yarou wrote: post #126
chris_wot wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dude. Personal attacks aren't welcome here. I think you know this, as you are using a throwaway account.

And yet the law is applied unfairly on HN. Dang warned me that I'd be banned if I ever insinuated that somebody was shilling, yet several people are openly doing it in this thread. I don't see their warnings. Sorry for continuing the derail, but it's downright infuriating when you see moderation not applied equally to everyone.

I agree that having rules applied to you but not others can really rankle. But consider this: do you agree with the rule that "you should not accuse people of shilling"? That is, which world do you prefer: a world where this rule was enforced perfectly (maybe not by banning people, but perhaps a public scolding or something else sever enough to act as a deterrent), or a world where it was not enforced at all, so anyone who feels like it can accuse anyone at all of shilling (we don't need no stinkin' evidence!).

(In my opinion, "only a shill would say that" does not count as evidence.)

This is a genuine question: I really have no idea whether you're objecting just to the unfairness, or whether you think the rule itself is flawed. If unfairness, then I agree with you: it sucks. If you object to the rule itself, then I think you've already figured out that I think it's a good rule.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by cesarb »

chris_wot wrote: post #121
ourmandave wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had the option to not accept the EULA. In that case I was then free to not install Windows 10 despite it "prepping my system for the update" for an hour. I figured any attempt at a roll back at that point would have been worse than just proceeding. =(

That's interesting. If the OS upgrades to Windows 10, does it prompt you to accept a new EULA after upgrading? If so, what does it do if you don't accept the new terms? And how can they ask you to accept terms AFTER upgrading?

The comments at https://www.reddit.com/r/windows/comments/49eahx/computer_up... say that, if you decline the EULA after installing, it rollbacks to the previously installed version.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by edwhitesell »

marvy wrote: post #137
robertelder wrote: post #59

Re-posting my comment from the other thread which didn't get as much attention: I spent about 3 hours this week doing tech support for my mom over the phone because of Windows 10's aggressive upgrading behaviour. I told her to keep her the best way to keep safe security wise is to make sure the os/browser is up to date, and because Windows 10 keeps asking to upgrade, she went ahead and did so. After upgrading to Wind…

This is madness. I've actually had the "opposite" problem. Ever since Win10 came out, my Win7 machine doesn't bother announcing when updates are available. I have to remember to install them myself ever "patch Tuesday". But I repeat: this is madness. What kind of a psycho update mechanism would try to install an new OS behind your back?

> I've actually had the "opposite" problem. Ever since Win10 came out, my Win7 machine doesn't bother announcing when updates are available. I have to remember to install them myself ever "patch Tuesday".

I also had this issue until I sat down and figured out how to make Windows Update stop forcing Windows 10 on me. Basically, you need to remove KB3035583, hide it from updates AND uncheck the box to "give me recommended updates the same way I receive important updates". Otherwise, it would keep coming back.

This latest patch Tuesday also introduced another "update" to trigger Win10 installation, it's called: upgrade to Windows 10 Pro, version 1511, 10586

Hiding that in Windows Update got me back to installing the normal updates.

Microsoft is making this whole process way too painful for those of us who know we don't want to update.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by Terr_ »

chrsstrm wrote: post #129
marklawrutgers wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had this exact same issue with my work machine and my at home workstation. Wifi adapter completely broken, I tried to revert back to Windows 8 on my work machine and it gets stuck on a black screen for over 24 hours. I tried to power down to restart it but no luck. Somehow everything got corrupted. Had to completely reformat the drive and install the operating system all over again, which it then proceeded to upgra…

Same scenario three weeks ago trying to help out my brother on his brand new Asus that came with Win 10. The wireless hardware just disappeared from the control panel so the option to update the driver wasn't available. I was about to walk him through a complete OS re-install with the option to keep his files until he decided that a wired connection was OK. At the time there was almost no available recent support art…

> The wireless hardware just disappeared from the control panel

I installed a fresh Win10 for a family member, and the complete mess of absent/hidden/redesigned/half-duplicated control panel stuff was my first hint that I'd want to stay on Windows-7.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by gherkin0 »

brownbat wrote: post #141
IgorPartola wrote: post #51

I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, Windows badly needs a better update mechanism. This has been a huge pain point for consumers for a long time, which often results in buying new hardware instead of updating the browser, etc. On the other hand I think this will drive people away from Windows and towards OS X and Ubuntu. Oh right, there is no downside to this!

On the one hand, a bunch of old insecure machines will get fixed. On the other hand, a bunch of other old insecure machines will get bricked. In other words, win/win for security teams fighting botnets.

> On the one hand, a bunch of old insecure machines will get fixed.

That makes little sense. If a machine is automatically installing Windows 10, it was already automatically installing security updates. Windows 10 won't make it and less "insecure" than it was with Windows 7.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by enraged_camel »

capabit wrote: post #128
robertelder wrote: post #59

Re-posting my comment from the other thread which didn't get as much attention: I spent about 3 hours this week doing tech support for my mom over the phone because of Windows 10's aggressive upgrading behaviour. I told her to keep her the best way to keep safe security wise is to make sure the os/browser is up to date, and because Windows 10 keeps asking to upgrade, she went ahead and did so. After upgrading to Wind…

> Also, there seems to be a number of people here commenting very strongly in favour of Microsoft Count me (shockingly) in the pro Microsoft group here. After years and years of supporting family PCs, I understand and appreciate what they're trying to do. If you make updating something the user has to do, they'll never do it. If you prompt them to update, they'll never do it. Even if they've had the why of it explain…

We don't force people to vaccinate their kids, even though unvaccinated kids are a risk to herd immunity. What makes you think it's OK to force users to update their computers?

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

This isn't news, and was announced _months_ in advance. Microsoft announced back in October that they'd upgrade Windows 10 to a "Recommended update" in February.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/windows-10-upgrade-1.32965...

You can check in Windows Update whether or not to automatically apply Recommended updates the same way you apply Important updates. By default, it is checked. (By default, most users really _should_ upgrade to Windows 10.)

But, as with all Microsoft things, people will flip out like this wasn't announced and they were totally blindsided because everything Microsoft does is totally evil.

Re: Windows 7 computers are automatically starting the Windows 10 upgrade

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

stcredzero wrote: post #19

Funny, I've been trying to get my Windows 7 laptop to take the upgrade, but it strangely won't.

Use a disc or the Media Creation Tool (which can directly start a Windows 10 install). Both methods are much more reliable than the Windows Update method.
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