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Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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Post by SixSigma »

douche wrote: post #98
kaitai wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work with some colleagues who use this kind of conversation. Full disclosure: I am a female, they are also female. They wouldn't talk to you like that -- it's a female-female communication style with a lot of subtext, common in parts of corporate America as well. The majority (by far!) of my colleagues are male, and part of the subtext and context of this type of conversation is (1) to comment on things guys "can't…

Interesting perspective. Personally, I would find effusive praise of that kind profoundly weird, and uncomfortable, because it doesn't fit into the framework of mostly male-male communication I'm used to(relatively traditional, tinged with some ex-military vibes). In large part, the sign of doing a good job is the absence of criticism. Since you could almost always improve on your performance, there tends to always b…

Finding what people think is a suitable reward is really difficult.

Doing a good job != standing out

"Recognise and reward" should be a tenet of good management, and you don't reward people for doing what they should be doing anyway.

One good reward is seeing if there are any conferences in the person's specialist field. But so they know it's not a holiday, have them to a brief presentation about what they learned upon their return.

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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Post by SixSigma »

hueving wrote: post #101
MicroBerto wrote: post #63

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It was incredibly well-written. Much respect to her. You can tell that she is the kind of person that demands action and hates any kind of BS. Very business like. This is also why you should always write emails assuming they're public record. Because one day... They just might be!

It was quite 'over-written', if that's even a term. The sentences were very dense with long compound sentences. Maybe I'm just stupid, but I feel like it's a failure on her part to drown the reader in text with a low readability score that isn't even jargon.

> As is often said, if I had more time - and less emotion - I would have written a shorter letter.

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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Post by kaitai »

douche wrote: post #98
kaitai wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I work with some colleagues who use this kind of conversation. Full disclosure: I am a female, they are also female. They wouldn't talk to you like that -- it's a female-female communication style with a lot of subtext, common in parts of corporate America as well. The majority (by far!) of my colleagues are male, and part of the subtext and context of this type of conversation is (1) to comment on things guys "can't…

Interesting perspective. Personally, I would find effusive praise of that kind profoundly weird, and uncomfortable, because it doesn't fit into the framework of mostly male-male communication I'm used to(relatively traditional, tinged with some ex-military vibes). In large part, the sign of doing a good job is the absence of criticism. Since you could almost always improve on your performance, there tends to always b…

I got somewhat comfortable with that (mostly) male-male framework through engineering college and math school. My experience was exactly yours: the sign of a good job is the absence of criticism, and you could always do better. I'm overall fine with that when I know that's the context, but your 2nd-to-last line is the kicker: give me the bonus or vacation if I did something!

Now I'm working with some folks from a more corporate background, and it is a different culture. Very different. I'm still getting used to it myself.

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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Post by dheera »

jml7c5 wrote: post #118
dheera wrote: post #116

I don't get it. She used a personal account for official business. That's against policy, I get that part. But why are we punishing her by releasing all of those e-mails to the general public? That sounds like a very unorthodox punishment.

It's the result of Freedom of Information Act requests. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton_email_controve...

So I still don't get why we can open private communications to everyone, or what purpose that serves but to (1) humiliate her and (2) expose her to identity theft risk, neither of which are usual forms of punishment. Why not just fine her, ban her from working for the government, or some other similar punishment?

Also, what about the fact that I write SO many e-mails using special language, inside jokes that only the other party would know, PGP, foreign languages, self-modified languages, and so on? What if in my communications with a particular friend, red meant blue, blue meant red, building meant banana, and foreign meant domestic? What if she encoded deeper meaning into what is seemingly innocuous English text? If I knew that I was at risk of being victimized by such a system and having my e-mails exposed, you can be sure that I would use language like that. Or simply avoid using English, use a smattering of 20 different obscure tribal languages, and write my e-mails in a form with hidden meanings that I would agree in advance with the receiving party. Just to make it hard for everyone who really shouldn't be reading my e-mails. And then use PGP on top of that, although PGP is probably ineffective against this [0], but the smattering of tribal languages and English language mappings would at least make it deliberately hard and annoying.

Why is it that "being secretary of state" all of a sudden means that you have no right to the same level of privacy, identity protection, and security that everyone else has in the country?

[0] https://xkcd.com/538/

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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Post by eli »

leroy_masochist wrote: post #120
eli wrote: post #114

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> " court papers filed with the plea deal stated Petraeus in 2011 unlawfully gave Broadwell the black books of classified information including identities of covert officers, code word information, war strategy, intelligence capabilities, diplomatic talks and information from high-level White House National Security Council meetings. " > " Petraeus then lied to the FBI about it, the court papers said. " source: http:…

> Clinton choosing to use a private email server was a big mistake, but Petraeus' actions are MUCH worse. Not even in the same category. Always great to hear from people who know how open investigations will be resolved. To be clear: HRC is accused not only of conducting official business in a manner that was completely unauthorized from an infosec perspective and in direct violation of both IC standards and a Presid…

Hillary is the subject of an open investigation? News to me. Do you have a source?

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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Post by Pyxl101 »

tannhauser23 wrote: post #35
Pyxl101 wrote: post #18

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> all communication with public officials is archived and made public Is that all communication period, or only communication with them while they're acting in their capacity as a public official? How do public officials keep their legitimately personal business private? (E.g., having an affair). Can their personal email accounts be opened up and made public at any time? I'm curious.

All government work related emails are archived. They're available to the public through Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests - basically, you make a request to the federal government for certain types of information and they are required to provide it to you, subject to limitations for relevance, confidentiality, etc. Purely personal emails aren't archived. Government officials and employees use personal email…

It seems like we could learn more about Clinton's emails by asking under FOIA for emails sent by a wide variety of other public officials to/from her? Do you know if this has or is already being done?
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