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Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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Post by leroy_masochist »

orbitingpluto wrote: post #64
greggman wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume you think that's a bad thing? If I had someone planning where I was going to stay I would tell them, put me anywhere that has a quiet comfortable bed and a clean private comfortable toilet. Maybe there's more to this story?

Careful, your privilege is showing. edit: Seriously on the downvotes? If your job is to travel to another country to render aid because of conditions caused by your own country sending troops to facilitate a coup, and then you send your underlings to make sure you have golden toilets on your visit, then something is messed up. If you can't see that and you're downvoting me for it, congrats, you are the problem.

> If your job is to travel to another country to render aid because of conditions caused by your own country sending troops to facilitate a coup...

One of these days we'll hold the Canadians accountable for their wanton coup-facilitation and unreasonable toilet-related demands.

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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Post by GabrielF00 »

chishaku wrote: post #15
bishnu wrote: post #2

The banality of it all is what strikes me. A personal favorite: http://graphics.wsj.com/hillary-clinton-email-documents/#/?d... Been there, Hil :)

All the interesting stuff has been [ ].

Plus a lot of stuff that's probably not very interesting.

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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Post by leroy_masochist »

southerngs wrote: post #33
meric wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it was a two star general who did this, he'd be in jail.

Not a four star though: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/petra...

I think it's safe to say that if Petraeus had done what Hillary apparently did, he would be incarcerated.

If conversations in social settings with former colleagues in the IC / DoD are indicative of sentiment throughout these communities, there will be a tremendous amount of discontent if she is not prosecuted for her decision to conduct official communications as one of the most senior members of the USG over an unsecured personal email server starting in 2009.

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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Post by Mtinie »

Gustomaximus wrote: post #88
Mtinie wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never really had an opinion about Chelsea Clinton, one way or another, but after reading that email I respect her.

The longer emails, like this and many others, feel seeded for history. They give me the impression they are written knowing they will be made public down the track. As though they're trying to establish a good record/history for future political work. E.g. Happy to be the invisible soldier type lines. Maybe I'm just jaded with the politicians of today...

I figured she just drafted that email while sitting in her hotel room after a particularly trying day, or on the flight home.

It's easy for me to get into a flow when I've got an uninterrupted stretch of time. Maybe she's the same way.

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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Post by scottkduncan »

ethbro wrote: post #28
dpweb wrote: post #10

What striking to me, however certainly expected, is all the sycophantic drivel heaped onto a powerful person. "You looked fabulous", "we were discussing how incredible you are". Perhaps aides think somehow they are being supportive, but if I were that powerful person, I believe I would rather just a few people I trust to tell me when I'm effing up - than everyone telling me how fantastic I am.

The State Department is a slow organization with internal careers. I feel like you see the same in a lot of other career, conservative, small number at the top, higher payoff if you get there fields (legal, medical, academia, finance). The amount of effort required to be sycophantic is minor in relation to the past 10+ years of work that your superior could torpedo on a whim.

Except that most of the people communicating directly with Secretary Clinton would have been political appointees who would have joined the organization from the outside.

Don't get me wrong, it's still a hierarchical, traditional organization.

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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Post by JackFr »

awakeasleep wrote: post #5

Chelsea's email to B & H about her experience in Haiti is an informative read. I had assumed our disaster mitigation/rescue NGOs were a lot more effective than they actually are. They sound pretty awful, reading that email.

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Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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Post by douche »

kaitai wrote: post #80
dpweb wrote: post #10

What striking to me, however certainly expected, is all the sycophantic drivel heaped onto a powerful person. "You looked fabulous", "we were discussing how incredible you are". Perhaps aides think somehow they are being supportive, but if I were that powerful person, I believe I would rather just a few people I trust to tell me when I'm effing up - than everyone telling me how fantastic I am.

I work with some colleagues who use this kind of conversation. Full disclosure: I am a female, they are also female. They wouldn't talk to you like that -- it's a female-female communication style with a lot of subtext, common in parts of corporate America as well. The majority (by far!) of my colleagues are male, and part of the subtext and context of this type of conversation is (1) to comment on things guys "can't…

Interesting perspective. Personally, I would find effusive praise of that kind profoundly weird, and uncomfortable, because it doesn't fit into the framework of mostly male-male communication I'm used to(relatively traditional, tinged with some ex-military vibes). In large part, the sign of doing a good job is the absence of criticism. Since you could almost always improve on your performance, there tends to always be some level of criticism.

Maybe I'm weird, but external validation doesn't really push any of my buttons. If you think I really did a great job, give me a bonus, or an extra day or two of vacation. Otherwise, I've got work to do.

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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Post by dpweb »

dpweb wrote: post #10

What striking to me, however certainly expected, is all the sycophantic drivel heaped onto a powerful person. "You looked fabulous", "we were discussing how incredible you are". Perhaps aides think somehow they are being supportive, but if I were that powerful person, I believe I would rather just a few people I trust to tell me when I'm effing up - than everyone telling me how fantastic I am.

only mean to point out sycophancy and groupthink - no disrespect towards HRC intended

Re: Search Hillary Clinton’s Emails

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Post by SCAQTony »

bishnu wrote: post #2

The banality of it all is what strikes me. A personal favorite: http://graphics.wsj.com/hillary-clinton-email-documents/#/?d... Been there, Hil :)

Exactly! Like that scene in Doctor Strangelove when the President calls the Prime Minister of Russia to deliver the bad news that a errant US bomber with a nuke is heading towards Russia and the Russian Prime Minister complains that he only calls them when he has bad news.
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