>>> when a new technology is introduced, one is _immediately_ required to know about it before getting a job where that technology will be used. Well Said. I too am in a similar position you have explained. I have a Computer Science college degree (graduated in November) and I have been applying to junior/graduate level jobs that have inflated expectations of what a regular graduate should know (especially technologi…
It's a whole lot easier to get started if you apply for jobs where you'd right in-house apps, for tech support or for system or network administration. I did all three. Actually the vast majority of computer software is never released to the public. For example I wrote image processing software for an aerial photography firm. Our "product" was hardcopies of our photos, as well as expert interpretations of what our cu…
I Don't Agree That There Really Is a Tech Worker Shortage
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Re: I Don't Agree That There Really Is a Tech Worker Shortage
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I think you mean only impeccable academic credentials. Self-taught developers do enter MIT graduate school, including after several years of working in industry. For that matter, Chumby hired Andrew "bunnie" Huang as a freshly minted MIT PhD in EE. Or perhaps you mean that the types of problems you work on, like the vast majority of problems in the world, don't require knowing Knuth and "PCIS", or a PhD education? I…
Among my gripes is that not only does no one care that I've studied Knuth, it is uncommon for those who might hire me, to have even heard of Knuth. Consider that Mark Zuckerberg dropped out of Harvard to start facebook. Now he has the idea that he knows more about computer programming than I do, despite the fact that I had been in the industry for six years before he was even born. I'm working on an iOS version of Co…
For the vast majority of problems, knowing Knuth is about as useful as being able to quote Tacitus, compose a Petrarchan sonnet, describe the Krebs cycle, or recount the details of Australia's 1882 victory at The Oval.
You would have had the same blank look if you demonstrated your microkernel operating system, LALR parser, or Needleman–Wunsch-based sequence alignment tool.
Why should they care? If you can't explain to them why it's important, then perhaps it actually isn't important for the job.
My previous comment objected to the idea that people should be rejected solely because they know esoteric knowledge. Your gripe seems to be that uncommon knowledge makes someone somehow special. You'll get no empathy from me.
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I got some bad news for you eli: If you put all that stuff on your resume, you'll never find work as a mobile app developer. A rather common request of those who hire mobile development consultants is, "I want a game just like Angry Birds, only different". And that's it. I mean that's the only specification they can supply. Not the only spec they are willing to supply - the only spec they know HOW to supply.
Strangely enough, I don't want to find work as a mobile app developer. Were you being ironic?
I know most of that stuff, but I really do want to be a mobile developer.
All anybody wants to know is whether an applicant already has an app in the app store or google play. 27 years of experience, my degree, the non-mobile products that I've shipped, the stellar press reviews I've received, those don't count for anything.
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Strangely enough, I don't want to find work as a mobile app developer. Were you being ironic?
Yeah actually. I know most of that stuff, but I really do want to be a mobile developer. All anybody wants to know is whether an applicant already has an app in the app store or google play. 27 years of experience, my degree, the non-mobile products that I've shipped, the stellar press reviews I've received, those don't count for anything.
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You started off by saying it was difficult, then used an example of where it was easy. Given the existence of Craigslist, Monster, Stack Overflow Careers, etc. over and beyond what was available 30 years ago, it should be easier now to find employees rather than harder. You need to demonstrate that it's actually harder. Under your analogy, you haven't shown that the people actually have cancer in the first place.
Craigslist, Monster, Careers 2.0 are the problem, not the solution. At one time I only had two ways to look for a job: under "Computer Programming" in the Yellow Pages, and in the Sunday San Jose Mercury News. Now there are vast numbers of job boards, newspapers are going bankrupt because craigslist job posts are completely free of charge in most cities, and no one even knows what the yellow pages are.
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Has Zuckerberg said anything about the matter in the last 5 years? If not, then you have no standing, and you have no legal power to compel FB to do anything for you. Legal precedent is against you, and I quoted a California Supreme Court case which went into the details for both California and US anti-discrimination law. Anti-discrimination laws give you 180 calendar days from the day the discrimination took place (…
I was refused a job at Amazon just two days ago, because I am mentally ill. My website makes that plainly apparent. That's called "Voluntary Self-Identification" in the Americans with Disabilities Act. I am dead certain that I am a far, far better coder than most of those who are already employed by Amazon. While yes, Zuckerberg said that in 2007 I don't see any evidence that he's changed his attitude. I never said t…
He doesn't have to change his mind. The EEOC doesn't care one whit about what people believe. It only judges actions. You need more evidence than simply that you weren't hired, and a stray remark from 2007, to justify an EEOC lawsuit.
Had you read Reid v. Google you would see how hard it is to make the case based on the paltry evidence you have. You don't even know if the person who got the job is mentally ill.
I never said you applied to work at Facebook. All of this assumed the antecedent to your proposition "All I would have to do is to apply to Facebook and I'd have a good case".
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Has Zuckerberg said anything about the matter in the last 5 years? If not, then you have no standing, and you have no legal power to compel FB to do anything for you. Legal precedent is against you, and I quoted a California Supreme Court case which went into the details for both California and US anti-discrimination law. Anti-discrimination laws give you 180 calendar days from the day the discrimination took place (…
I was refused a job at Amazon just two days ago, because I am mentally ill. My website makes that plainly apparent. That's called "Voluntary Self-Identification" in the Americans with Disabilities Act. I am dead certain that I am a far, far better coder than most of those who are already employed by Amazon. While yes, Zuckerberg said that in 2007 I don't see any evidence that he's changed his attitude. I never said t…
He doesn't have to change his mind. The EEOC doesn't care one whit about what people believe. It only judges actions. You need more evidence than simply that you weren't hired, and a stray remark from 2007, to justify an EEOC lawsuit.
Had you read Reid v. Google you would see how hard it is to make the case based on the paltry evidence you have. You know that you were refused a job. You don't know that it's because you are mentally ill. You don't even know if the person who got the job is mentally ill.
I never said you applied to work at Facebook. All of this assumed the antecedent to your proposition "All I would have to do is to apply to Facebook and I'd have a good case".
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I was refused a job at Amazon just two days ago, because I am mentally ill. My website makes that plainly apparent. That's called "Voluntary Self-Identification" in the Americans with Disabilities Act. I am dead certain that I am a far, far better coder than most of those who are already employed by Amazon. While yes, Zuckerberg said that in 2007 I don't see any evidence that he's changed his attitude. I never said t…
Under the 'stray remarks' doctrine, a single remark made many years ago is not evidence that there is a discriminatory practice now. He doesn't have to change his mind. The EEOC doesn't care one whit about what people believe. It only judges actions. You need more evidence than simply that you weren't hired, and a stray remark from 2007, to justify an EEOC lawsuit. Had you read Reid v. Google you would see how hard i…
That's what Discovery and Deposition for.
The EEOC would go through the emails and other written documents, to see whether someone might have made discriminated in an illegal way, then they would depose them.
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Under the 'stray remarks' doctrine, a single remark made many years ago is not evidence that there is a discriminatory practice now. He doesn't have to change his mind. The EEOC doesn't care one whit about what people believe. It only judges actions. You need more evidence than simply that you weren't hired, and a stray remark from 2007, to justify an EEOC lawsuit. Had you read Reid v. Google you would see how hard i…
Yes I know. That's what Discovery and Deposition for. The EEOC would go through the emails and other written documents, to see whether someone might have made discriminated in an illegal way, then they would depose them.
Stray remarks "standing alone" are not sufficient prima facie evidence of age discrimination. Nor is not hiring someone who is a member of a protected class, without evidence that being in a protected class was a factor.
You can't make up a random conjecture about them violating the law and do discovery. You have to have some evidence first. Show me a court case which says otherwise. If it were true then there should be thousands of court cases, or an EEOC guideline, which discussed it. I quote instead from http://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/litigation/briefs/fried.txt :
However, “[s]tray remarks, even if they occurred as plaintiff claims, are not enough to satisfy the plaintiff’s burden of proving pretext. Stray remarks alone do not create an issue of material fact to defeat summary judgment.” Bunk v. General Services Admin., 408 F. Supp. 2d 153, 158 (W.D.N.Y. 2006). See also Shapiro v. N.Y. City Dep’t of Educ., 561 F. Supp. 2d 413, 424 (S.D.N.Y. 2008) (“[t]he stray remarks of a decision-maker, without more, cannot prove a claim of employment discrimination”). In this case, the single, isolated mention of Fried’s age, the only such mention in the entire record, cannot, standing alone, create an issue of material fact sufficient to defeat summary judgment. This is especially true given that State, by Fried’s own admission, qualified his remark by asking “what if you get hit by a bus.” Accordingly, unless other indicia of discrimination are properly presented, see [Shapiro, 561 F. Supp. 2d at 424], this comment alone is insufficient to sustain plaintiff’s burden of proving pretext as a matter of law.
You have no other 'indicia of discrimination.' You have not demonstrated prima facie evidence.
If what you were saying were true then why did Reid in Reid v. Google have to take the case to the California Supreme Court?
Answer: because what you believe isn't actually true, and you don't understand the relevant case law.
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Yes I know. That's what Discovery and Deposition for. The EEOC would go through the emails and other written documents, to see whether someone might have made discriminated in an illegal way, then they would depose them.
The FB/Yahoo/whoever lawyer would point out that there's no indication of any discrimination. Your only evidence is permissible under the stray remarks doctrine, promulgated by Justice O'Conner in the Supreme Court decision for Price Waterhouse v. Hopkins (1989). You have no evidence of them doing anything illegal. Stray remarks "standing alone" are not sufficient prima facie evidence of age discrimination. Nor is no…
About an hour after that I got his "Dear John" mail.
At the top of every page of my site is a link to "Living with Schizoaffective Disorder".
http://www.warplife.com/mdc/books/schizoaffective-disorder/
That's known as "Voluntary Self-Identification" under the Americans with Disabilities Act.
I do not require any accomodation whatsoever. I write good code when I'm symptomatic. That's why I'm a coder and not a physics researcher.