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OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by guardian5x »

acdha wrote: post #101
mrottenkolber wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every time I am intrigued by Apple's UI design I get taken back to reality by threads like these. Thank you. FYI, there are OS distributions that do not crash . My sound card sometimes doesn't survive a hibernation but that's a known hardware fault. Not that a OS level crash would lead to any data loss.

> FYI, there are OS distributions that do not crash. Yes, I have heard that LepriconSoft's UnicornOS runs quite well on the Hypothetica-9000 processor but everything else has the same real-world problems with faulty hardware and drivers. You might have a stable setup but that's also true of well over 99% of Mac users – they just also don't tend to go on forums and say “Yeap, everything's still fine here!”.

Serious Question: I know that since Vista, Windows can handle graphics driver and sound card driver crashes by restarting the driver.[1] That often leads to the program to crash too, if its using 3d graphics for example, but it does not require a restart of the whole system. Does Mac OS have something similar too?

[1] http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/images/device/wddm_timeout.gif

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by Cymen »

smutticus wrote: post #6

None of these reiews answer the one question I always want answered; will this cause my MBP to crash more often than 10.8.5? I have all the features I need, I want fewer GPU panics. I know these reviewers cannot answer this question, I just want to point out that it's the only relevant question for me. Given Apple's track record, this release will most likely cause my MBP to crash more often, but I want data on that.…

The only way I can keep my MBP retina happy when using it with an external Thunderbolt display is:

1) before plugging into display, open lid and wait for login screen to appear

2) before unplugging display, open lid and wait for laptop screen to turn on (normally I keep my laptop closed when connected to the display)

If I deviate from this the laptop crashes or goes into some odd state.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by ChrisGaudreau »

comex wrote: post #117
sxates wrote: post #2

What's missing here for me is some kind of performance evaluation. If I upgrade my 2011 MBA from Mavericks to Yosemite, should I expect any change in performance, for better or worse? Did the power management change in any significant way? Apple's mobile OSs have a way of obsoleting older hardware. I'm curious to know if their desktop OSs are trending that way as well, or if they're making performance gains instead.

I've had serious performance issues with Yosemite. For one, dragging around windows became extremely janky; this appears to be caused by the transparency (and the limitations of my first-generation Retina MBP), as the option to disable it fixes the jank. For another, opening a new tab in Safari started lagging about a full second before I could start typing in the address bar, which is a ridiculous amount of time com…

I've had some pretty bad performance with the demo, too. It seems to be much better (but not perfect) now with the official release. I'm not really sure why.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by cormullion »

toggle wrote: post #13
cdbattags wrote: post #7

I actually read this all the way through... Quality writing.

I'll check it out, but in his past reviews, I've had the impression that the author really likes showing off his background knowledge of all things Apple. A lot of the text is irrelevant to the review, and therefore shouldn't be there. Also, the endless, endless links. He really needs to learn when something should be linked and when it shouldn't -- it really affects the reading experience on the web. You're constant…

the orange links are irritating and distracting (back to old-fashioned footnotes?). But you can read this in Safari's Reader mode, which sets the links to a moderate blue. Or you can download the book in iBooks - the links start off in orange but then are quickly switched to very dark blue. The orange is presumably just the ArsTechnica branding.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by tehabe »

I tried it yesterday and for the first time I downgraded my Mac back to the previous version. I think Yosemite wasn't made for my 2009 MacBook Pro. It works w/o a problem but the font is really hard to read, in the sense it is an exhausting experience.

What is funny about Yosemite, many dialog boxes remind me of KDE.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by bdash »

comex wrote: post #117
sxates wrote: post #2

What's missing here for me is some kind of performance evaluation. If I upgrade my 2011 MBA from Mavericks to Yosemite, should I expect any change in performance, for better or worse? Did the power management change in any significant way? Apple's mobile OSs have a way of obsoleting older hardware. I'm curious to know if their desktop OSs are trending that way as well, or if they're making performance gains instead.

I've had serious performance issues with Yosemite. For one, dragging around windows became extremely janky; this appears to be caused by the transparency (and the limitations of my first-generation Retina MBP), as the option to disable it fixes the jank. For another, opening a new tab in Safari started lagging about a full second before I could start typing in the address bar, which is a ridiculous amount of time com…

I'd love to try and get to the bottom of the Safari performance issues you're seeing. My email address is in my profile, please drop me a line if you wouldn't mind.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by teacup50 »

rtpg wrote: post #114
ak217 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. Shadows (fake 3D), textures, colors, and other elements may seem like a gimmick, but they are fundamentally crucial in visual cognition of the UI. What's sad is that so much UI design is driven by meaningless trends instead of more precise research data on how well UI elements work.

well you get things like Google's Material design that have things like depth perception and strong color contrast. It's not like we're abandoning everything, it's more about discovering new ways of doing things and then mix and matching until we get to something useful and coherent.

We HAD something useful and coherent.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by yaeger »

senorgusto wrote: post #135
dutchbrit wrote: post #85

I really don't like the new design. The dock bar looks weird to name one thing, also the new buttons, bars and the window design is just ugly and plain (it feels like a Linux flavour trying to look like OS X designed by someone's neighbour's kid) - don't let me even mention the folder icons. Photoshop stalled once but that's the only quirck I've had in the past 2 weeks of using the beta so that's not too bad. Design…

I feel the exact same way about iOS 7 growing on me but Yosemite not. This is the first Apple upgrade for a while that I'm going to hold off on...

I recently found this: # snow leopard theme for 10.9 Mavericks http://rhubarb-leaf.deviantart.com/art/SnowLeopard-theme-v2-...

I hope something like this is possible on Yosemite at some point in the future.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by aruggirello »

jmhain wrote: post #105
dutchbrit wrote: post #85

I really don't like the new design. The dock bar looks weird to name one thing, also the new buttons, bars and the window design is just ugly and plain (it feels like a Linux flavour trying to look like OS X designed by someone's neighbour's kid) - don't let me even mention the folder icons. Photoshop stalled once but that's the only quirck I've had in the past 2 weeks of using the beta so that's not too bad. Design…

Meanwhile several Linux desktops have actually incorporated design teams and are starting to look quite beautiful. Never thought I'd see the day where it's prettier than OS X, but today may be that day.

Current KDE is very nice. I've yet to see the incoming Plasma 5 - it'll be included in Kubuntu 14.10.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by jevgeni »

gcao wrote: post #29
pbreit wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doubt you're going to see much about crashing since I presume that most MBP owners, like myself, never experience crashes.

Mine crashes a lot. Usually after I send it to sleep when I go home. Next time when I wake it up, it starts up from crashed state. It might have something to do with some app I installed but I didn't spend time to figure that out yet.

I had the exact same problem on an iMac. I've noticed, that it happened, when I've left my Wacom Cintiq "on" overnight, while designating it as a second monitor.
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