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Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by geekam » Fri, Oct 17, 2014, 12:50 AM UTC

r00fus wrote: post #81

gcao wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mine crashes a lot. Usually after I send it to sleep when I go home. Next time when I wake it up, it starts up from crashed state. It might have something to do with some app I installed but I didn't spend time to figure that out yet.

VMWare 6 seems to be the cause of some of mine. I resolved it by making sure it's suspended prior to system sleep. I wonder if the most recent VMWare version would help.

It helped a little but still crashes for me. I have the same issues with VMWare latest version.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by girvo » Fri, Oct 17, 2014, 12:51 AM UTC

FraaJad wrote: post #84

song wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I've never had OS X crash as often as Mavericks. And some of the crashes are completely repeatable. For example, open a lot of windows (20 terminal windows, 5-6 projects in Sublime, a bunch of browser windows used to test apps), turn on mission control and it just crashes every single time. I haven't done more test to figure the exact number of windows until it crashes but I know that it does for my workflow. Ad…

20 terminal windows? Is there any reason you are not using screen/tmux?

Eh, why bother when iTerm2 gives me the same splitting and tab features :)

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by Karunamon » Fri, Oct 17, 2014, 1:01 AM UTC

locomoco wrote: post #88

wodenokoto wrote: post #87

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Can't you just turn the brightness down to zero?

Yes, but it's not the same as turning the display off. The GPU is still outputting signal to the Macbook Pro screen.

what the.. why? The screen is unusable without the backlight.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by mahmud » Fri, Oct 17, 2014, 1:07 AM UTC

Kluny wrote: post #71

radicalbyte wrote: post #12

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I'm not the OP, but my (new) MBP crashes twice a month when surfing or coding (Sublime, Typescript, Node). It crashes daily if I use Parallels and regularly when using Spotify.

For what it's worth, I've seen Sublime mentioned in relation to crashes a couple times now.

That does not excuse it. A text editor should not take down an OS.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by mrottenkolber » Fri, Oct 17, 2014, 1:18 AM UTC

smutticus wrote: post #6

None of these reiews answer the one question I always want answered; will this cause my MBP to crash more often than 10.8.5? I have all the features I need, I want fewer GPU panics. I know these reviewers cannot answer this question, I just want to point out that it's the only relevant question for me. Given Apple's track record, this release will most likely cause my MBP to crash more often, but I want data on that.…

Every time I am intrigued by Apple's UI design I get taken back to reality by threads like these. Thank you.

FYI, there are OS distributions that do not crash. My sound card sometimes doesn't survive a hibernation but that's a known hardware fault. Not that a OS level crash would lead to any data loss.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by blisterpeanuts » Fri, Oct 17, 2014, 1:31 AM UTC

Upgrading now: 5.16 gigs. Hah! This is going to take all night. Looks like everyone's downloading it at the same time.

I was quite impressed by 10.10 from the Keynote a few weeks ago, and I'm looking forward to experiencing some of that. No iPhone so can't enjoy that level of integration, but perhaps my iPad will be happier.

Meanwhile I have a Nexus 5 on order, and I'm debugging problems with my Linux PC's new motherboard. Certainly Linux on a roll-your-own hardware platform is a different world from the slick, smooth Apple experience. I like both for what they can do but the Apple is becoming my go-to front end while the Linux machine is becoming more of a server and back-end tool.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by tillinghast » Fri, Oct 17, 2014, 1:31 AM UTC

wiremine wrote: post #79

Off topic from the review but handy since people were talking about crashing: Learned a cool trick tonight: Yosemite was taking a while to install, so I did some googling and learned you can see the installer's log by typing CMD-L during the install process.

I ran across the cmd-l tip earlier this afternoon in this article: "Faster Mac OS X 10.10 Yosemite Upgrades for Developers" (https://jimlindley.com/blog/yosemite-upgrade-homebrew-tips/).

If any of you are thinking of upgrading and use Homebrew, it sounds like it would be in your best interest to have a look. I'm holding off on upgrading until I see some early-adopter reports, but I'll certainly be following these steps when I'm ready to take the plunge.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by recursive » Fri, Oct 17, 2014, 1:32 AM UTC

FraaJad wrote: post #84

song wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, I've never had OS X crash as often as Mavericks. And some of the crashes are completely repeatable. For example, open a lot of windows (20 terminal windows, 5-6 projects in Sublime, a bunch of browser windows used to test apps), turn on mission control and it just crashes every single time. I haven't done more test to figure the exact number of windows until it crashes but I know that it does for my workflow. Ad…

20 terminal windows? Is there any reason you are not using screen/tmux?

Presumably because that doesn't cause the crash. It's a crash reproduction, not a workflow recommendation.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by goeric » Fri, Oct 17, 2014, 1:35 AM UTC

My camera on my 2013 Retina Macbook Pro doesn't work post-upgrade, FYI.

Re: OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Ars Technica Review

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Post by acdha » Fri, Oct 17, 2014, 1:36 AM UTC

forrestthewoods wrote: post #60

acdha wrote: post #11

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> Apple has a pretty poor track record in recent years on perf Apple has a bigger problem where they're popular enough that every release has a ton of people who post subjective problem reports but rarely provide repeatable benchmarks or failures. They're definitely not perfect but if you see a report which doesn't have a specific test with the exact steps needed to duplicate it, it's wise to assume it's an urban leg…

I have experienced it first hand with both MacBooks and iPhones. That's enough to make me hesitate to click upgrade. It's certainly anecdotal but it's my anecdote that I would be a fool to not take under consideration. You should treat my story with more salt. Anecdotally a lot of people have experi need what I have and are also hesitant to update based on their own personal anecdotes. Take it as you will.

The other thing people need to remember is that our perceived experience is notoriously suggestible if you don't take efforts to correct for it. If you expect a new OS release to be slower, you're more likely to experience it as slower – and that first reboot will likely "confirm" it because every persistent cache has been invalidated, one-time upgrade tasks are running, all of the app updates which blocked on a major OS version requirement are installing in the background, etc. Very few people will take the time to measure before and after multiple times to know whether there's something objectively different.

It'd be educational if someone like Apple or Microsoft shipped an update which changed only the version number and then recorded feedback, particularly since there would be e.g. some percentage of people who had something like a recent hardware problem which they hadn't noticed and assumed was caused by the update.