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the number of flock apologists comments in this post are a aberration from normal, there must be an artificial factor at play
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Even if there are grounds for a lawsuit, chances are "qualified immunity" will mean the wronged parties get zero recompense
Go after Flock; they are not protected by extension as they are the ones who are alerting the police and have no system-wide removal option according to the Chief interviewed.
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interesting. i never new a fraction of something could be considered all.
I think the assumption is most criminals won't bother to bring cars from Hawaii or Alaska if they don't follow along.
[0] I'm thinking here of places like Montana which attracts a fair number of out of state registrations to avoid sales and registration taxes in some states. PS don't try this most states already consider this and you're often violating the sales tax laws if the car doesn't leave the state within a few days of purchase.
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Its by design. By using a third party, they can get around the 4th amendment.
I'm not convinced they can always get around it... I think they could challenge their arrest in court on Fourth Amendment grounds and have a chance at winning: https://epic.org/vehicle-fingerprinting-through-pervasive-ca... >In the 2018 case Carpenter v. United States, the Supreme Court affirmed that individuals have a reasonable expectation of privacy in their long term movements (even in public spaces) and, because…
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This wouldn't be a story if the cops did not put the wrong license plate in the system. How is it Flock's fault? Flock is just doing what it is being asked to do! Let me put in simple terms: Flock flags license plates that are given to it. Someone, somewhere says, license plate "ABCD1234" has a warrant out. And guess what, if Flock sees that plate, it _will_ flag it each. and. every. time! Tomorrow, say an "Amber Ale…
"They can't remove it without knowing who the warrant is for" is absolutely Flocks problem. They're alerting on a license plate but yet somehow they can't turn off that license plate alert using just the license plate number? Fucking bullshit
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I'm not convinced they can always get around it... I think they could challenge their arrest in court on Fourth Amendment grounds and have a chance at winning: https://epic.org/vehicle-fingerprinting-through-pervasive-ca... >In the 2018 case Carpenter v. United States, the Supreme Court affirmed that individuals have a reasonable expectation of privacy in their long term movements (even in public spaces) and, because…
That's all fine until you learn about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction
And if that did happen, I feel like one could have a strong case against it by claiming that there is no reasonable way to have had that information without obtaining it illegally.
Impersonal, tech-mediated surveillance was clearly the next logical step for law enforcement after the events of 2020.
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Flock is doing something I find unethical, even immoral, but maybe not illegal. I want people who break the law to go to jail. I don’t care if they’re cops or c-suite execs. But what I really want is laws (preferably federal) that make it illegal to build systems that can be used for mass surveillance, and I want law enforcement to HAVE to get a warrant to receive data from surveillance companies, even if they offer…
We live in a strange time politically where the consensus on ethics is incredibly detached from justice. There is a danger in giving in to mob rules when it comes to the legal system but at this point we've wandered too far in the other direction with clear corruption around Flynn, Ticketmaster and others. I simply don't find the argument that something isn't illegal compelling anymore since our justice system is so…
Paraphrasing the crux of the issue: "It's regular practice in Colorado to list license plates with both versions, the one with 'O's and the other with Zeros in the warrant list." Insane. Practice. As always, this story has have nothing to do with the cameras or AI, but "law enforcement has an insane lazy practice" doesn't make for a very good headline anymore.
Obviously not true, but with nuance.
This shows the problem with bad practices at infinite scale.
Maybe they always conflated 0 with O. Not great, but if it was done manually it came up as a problem almost never. Still not great if someone got caught up in it, but it was not a widespread problem.
Add a layer of ever-present spying on literally everyone and suddenly what was a footnote of a problem is a major issue.
Flock should be shut down and their entire c-suite should be sent to prison for human rights violations Also, not just an isolated incident: https://youtu.be/8BImTddknfk We need strong laws preventing any AI process from being used for law enforcement at all . The mere presence of AI at any step in the process should result in complete exoneration.
Why punish the employees of a business when the root cause is corrupt government employees abusing their power? Edit to respond to smt88: IBM knowingly selling services to the Nazis specifically to violate human rights is not the same as Flock selling services to cops to aid in identification. In addition, going after 1 business is simply an inefficient use of resources, when the government employees can simply use a…
Anyway you didn't explain how IBM and Flock are different. Flock's work has already resulted in innocent citizens getting murdered extrajudiciously.