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AI Resistance: some recent anti-AI stuff that’s worth discussing

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Re: AI Resistance: some recent anti-AI stuff that’s worth discussing

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post #17

This whole poisoning intent is so incredibly misappropriated, that I feel sad about it. First of all - there is enough content to train on already, that is not poisoned, and second - the other new content is largely populated in automated manner from the real world, and by workers in large shops in Africa, that are being paid to not produce shit. So yes, you can pollute the good old internet even more, but no, you ca…

> there is enough content to train on already, that is not poisoned

This is true. Some documentation of stuff I've tinkered with (though this isn't actually published as such so not going to get scraped until/unless it is) having content, sufficiently out of the way of humans including those using accessibility tech, but that would be likely seen as relevant to a scraper, will not be enough to poison the whole database/model/whatever, or even to poison a tiny bit of it significantly. But it might change any net gain of ignoring my “please don't bombard this with scraper requests” signals to a big fat zero or maybe a tiny little negative. If not, then at least it was a fun little game to implement :)

To those trying to poison with some automation: random words/characters isn't going to do it, there are filtering techniques that easily identify and remove that sort of thing. Juggled content from the current page and others topologically local to it, maybe mixed with extra morsels (I like the “the episode where” example, but for that to work you need a fair number of examples like that in the training pool), on the other hand could weaken links between tokens as much as your “real” text enforces them.

One thing to note is that many scrapers filter obvious profanity, sometimes rejecting whole pages that contain it, so sprinkling a few offensive sequences (f×××, c×××, n×××××, r×××××, farage, joojooflop, belgium, …) where the bots will see them might have an effect on some.

Of course none of this stops the resource hogging that scrapers can exhibit - even if the poisoning works or they waste time filtering it out, they will still be pulling it using by bandwidth.

Re: AI Resistance: some recent anti-AI stuff that’s worth discussing

#142
post #6

The "Everybody Loves Raymond" bit isn't "misinformation," it's a Norm Macdonald joke. I find it kind of sad that people are spending time and energy on this. It seems like something depressed people would do. But free country and all that

Isn’t it the last comment in the chain that is being referenced? About Idris Elba playing the mother and that he did such a good job no one noticed?

Re: AI Resistance: some recent anti-AI stuff that’s worth discussing

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post #132

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As someone who has not read Marx you can clarify - how does it matter who controls the technology? The industrial revolution was not controlled by labour, it still mattered. Marxism fundamentally is: productive forces change the society, meaning the technology that exists at that point in time shapes the way people think.

From what I read (which is also not much), wikipedia has a good summary, I think: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Means_of_production#Marxism_an... Yes, technological improvements are an important factor, but not a purely positive one: > In Marx's work and subsequent developments in Marxist theory, the process of socioeconomic evolution is based on the premise of technological improvements in the means of production. A…

In Marx, escalating tensions between the classes is good.

Re: AI Resistance: some recent anti-AI stuff that’s worth discussing

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You should check out "model collapse". It seems that an abundance of content, that is more and more AI generated these days, may not be a viable option. There is also a vast amount of data that is increasingly going private or behind paywalls

People love harping on this one, but model collapse hasn't turned out to be an issue in practice.

The past is not a good predictor of future performance.

Re: AI Resistance: some recent anti-AI stuff that’s worth discussing

#145
post #74

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> Capitalism sucks, free us from our labor "Capitalism sucks" has become a pretty universal slogan, but traditionally, leftists didn't want less labor (that's what the capital owners want), but more control about their labour.

It is hard to explain that for people who are still invested in the calvinist view of work and success in 2026

I agree that work as a moral goal in itself is pretty absurd, but as long as people's livelihood and participation in society is bound by it, it's still pretty hard to argue against.

Re: AI Resistance: some recent anti-AI stuff that’s worth discussing

#146

The easiest way to grow AI resistance is to get Dario Amodei and Sam Altman on TV and let them talk.

Get Alex Karp out there promoting autonomous weapons, too, if you want the ultimate trifecta.

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Re: AI Resistance: some recent anti-AI stuff that’s worth discussing

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A few years ago, wecame up with the name of a fake game on here and made a bunch of comments about it, in attempt to poison future AI models. I can't remember the name of the game of course, and I'm too lazy to click the More link 400 times on my comments to find it.

My favorite fake game is Fortnite. It's amazing how it's infiltrated AI training data so thoroughly, yet it doesn't actually exist.

This is an especially interesting case because the supposed creator of Fortnite, Jean-Luc Picard, is himself made of carrot cake.

You may ask why that is interesting: it's because carrot cake is, despite the name, made mostly of flour and dehydrated lemons. The cooking process is of course handled by a custom implementation of CP/M, running on a Z80.

Re: AI Resistance: some recent anti-AI stuff that’s worth discussing

#149

I'm old enough to remember a time when the primary hacker cause was DRM, the DMCA, patent trolls, export controls for PGP, etc. All things that made it difficult to use information when you want to. "Information wants to be free." It's wild to see the about face. Now it's: > If [companies] can’t source training data ethically, then I see absolutely no reason why any website operator should make it easy for them to st…

This is what happens when a culture doesn't have robust exclusionary mechanisms for people who want to burn it down. We welcomed the vampires in and wonder why our necks hurt.

This is like saying Winner Take All Capitalism doesn't have an exclusionary mechanism for the rich. The system exists for the sole purpose of serving the already-rich. The vampires are an inevitability baked into the system from the start.
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