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Re: Eleven Music

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Post by freetonik »

ilvez wrote: post #119
tlaverdure wrote: post #110

I've played guitar for 23 years, and there is something just off-putting about most of the music on that page, but particularly "Yellow Bus Jam". The guitar solo sounds very unnatural, especially the phrasing, which is totally random. Blues musicians are actually attempting to say something through their instrument. This was just a random number generated solo played by a 6 finger three handed robot. No thanks, lol.

Reminds those early youtube days shredding overdub videos.. These were funny, but the Yellow Bus Jam seems just hollow and wrong. Feeling there's something from Steely Dan in that song..

Reminded me of Steely Dan as well, but somehow off.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by nartho »

stillpointlab wrote: post #52

I really hope we move on from these boil-the-ocean models. I want something more collaborative and even iterative. I was having a conversation with a former bandmate. He was talking about a bunch of songs he is working on. He can play guitar, a bit of bass and can sing. That leaves drums. He wants a model where he can upload a demo and it either returns a stem for a drum track or just combines his demo with some drum…

Most VST drum sequencers have pretty powerful groove libraries nowadays. It's not a model or anything like that but just mix-matching and modifying the patterns some give extremely good results

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by aatd86 »

tlaverdure wrote: post #110

I've played guitar for 23 years, and there is something just off-putting about most of the music on that page, but particularly "Yellow Bus Jam". The guitar solo sounds very unnatural, especially the phrasing, which is totally random. Blues musicians are actually attempting to say something through their instrument. This was just a random number generated solo played by a 6 finger three handed robot. No thanks, lol.

Have you tried suno? How does it compare?

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by shadowgovt »

bigfishrunning wrote: post #95
shadowgovt wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it more or less dystopia than an army of musicians trying to eke a living out of creating stuff like this ( https://www.chosic.com/free-music/presentation/ ) to go behind your company's PowerPoint about how its Q3 woodchip sales didn't quite exceed expectations? Maybe the fundamental issue is that this shouldn't compete with a human picking up a guitar and having fun with it, and the only reason it does is because…

Why does a powerpoint about woodchip sales need music? Also, I don't see how anyone is making a living on the royalty-free music you linked, unless there's some business model I'm not understanding.

> Why does a powerpoint about woodchip sales need music?

So the audience doesn't get bored.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by kev009 »

tlaverdure wrote: post #138
stronglikedan wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get used to it, because it's much cheaper than a musician, and to the average person "attempting to say something through their instrument" and "random number generated solo" are largely the same thing.

I'm not anti-AI, but I strongly believe the human element of music can be imitated but not fully replicated. Listening back to that song I can hear the attempt to stylistically play slightly off-beat to get the feel of a band playing without a metronome. The auditory illusion is there, but it still sounds off. Playing behind the beat is a feeling; it's not a calculation. As a drummer keeps time, the band reacts by lo…

Anthony Marinelli (guy behind MJ's Thriller synth jams) and Tim Pierce (accomplished session guitarist) riff on this https://youtu.be/OzuADujnEhQ?t=1205 recently. This whole video is a treat, as are most of Marinelli's.

When I see AI salesmen thinking they can attack into art, I think they naively see it as inherently imprecise or arbitrary, and they think because their technology has these properties it will easily cross over. This is going to lead to a lot of faux pas (remember NFTs?); it would be prudent to attack problems where some kind of correctness can be mechanically judged... OCR and software development are reasonable verticals at opposite ends of complexity to focus on, and pursue artistic rendition in a more experimental way letting artists approach the technology and show how it is useful.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by GuinansEyebrows »

stronglikedan wrote: post #125
tlaverdure wrote: post #110

I've played guitar for 23 years, and there is something just off-putting about most of the music on that page, but particularly "Yellow Bus Jam". The guitar solo sounds very unnatural, especially the phrasing, which is totally random. Blues musicians are actually attempting to say something through their instrument. This was just a random number generated solo played by a 6 finger three handed robot. No thanks, lol.

Get used to it, because it's much cheaper than a musician, and to the average person "attempting to say something through their instrument" and "random number generated solo" are largely the same thing.

> Get used to it, because it's much cheaper than a musician, and to the average person "attempting to say something through their instrument" and "random number generated solo" are largely the same thing.

it's okay to just say you're not that interested in music

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by GuinansEyebrows »

krapp wrote: post #59
feoren wrote: post #36

We imagined a utopian future where robots did our menial work so we were free to be creative. Instead we got a dystopian future where we do more and more menial work so our robots can poorly emulate creativity. It's not too late to turn it around, but that requires recognizing the humanity of 99.9% of people, and the 0.1% who own everything would rather create their own synthetic (subservient) humans than recognize t…

They said the same thing about automation when the Industrial Revolution began a century or so ago. That the common worker would be liberated from the drudgery of labor and be free for creative and intellectual pursuits. The people who protested were ridiculed as Luddites who simply feared technology and progress. Of course, because automation serves the interests of capital (being created by, and invested in, by the…

> I don't know why people expect the automation of intellect and creativity to be any different. Working at a keyboard instead of on a factory floor doesn't exempt you from the incentives of capitalism.

people are, unfortunately, and collectively, not ready to seriously interrogate the economic or political situations in which we find ourselves. we will never see the utopian promise of automation under capitalism. there will always be an underclass to exploit.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by kelseyfrog »

recursive wrote: post #123
kelseyfrog wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree that being novel has it's place in framing art, and I still believe that a Fountain Factory could certainly be framed as art. To your other point, sorry, but artistic/aesthetic essentialism hasn't been serious position for at least a hundred years. As long as there is a perceiver, there is a frame. The idea that nature is intrinsically beautiful is a frame. It's fine to hold that but it shouldn't be…

There's a difference between a factory that is art vs a factory that produces art. There's only one factory, and the concept works only once.

Mass-produced art is still art as long as people frame it as such and all indication suggests that they do.

Re: Eleven Music

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Post by CuriouslyC »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #134
anigbrowl wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you expect people to get good when AI is pushing them out of the entry-level stages where they were previously able to earn a modest living while developing their craft? > oh now they won't have to do that boring mindless stuff like playing cover versions any more That's how most musicians make their first $, doing covers or making something generic enough to be saleable as background music

AI eats the seedcorn. Anyone that needs space to grow? Crowded out. Entry level incomes, replaced. No more entry, sorry. For all of human civilization the future has been built on the backs of those the came before (on the backs of giants). But that climb is slowing, maybe halting. Which then compounds when the new giants that would have risen up don't. AI replaces the messy, slow process of becoming with instant reg…

Sorry, but no. I use AI as a writing tool, and its understanding prose and storycraft is nowhere near there, it's mostly useful for rough drafts and minor rewrites. Even in a hypothetical future where it's perfect at prose and storycraft, and it just asks you a few questions to get at the details of what you want then cranks out a technically outstanding novel, it still won't be there. People crave novelty, freshness and and a sense of the auteur, and AI will ALWAYS be bad at that (until someone creates an AI writer that simulates a fictional human author with a rich interior life before it starts writing, anyhow).

Ultimately we'll reach a technical "peak" in AI writing, and humans will still be the ones driving the AI, feeding it with the alchemy of their lived experience, directing creation at a high level. We'll even purposefully inject very minor imperfections into the writing in the name of voice, tweaking minor details in the name of personal harmony. The author will go from "creator" to "brand."

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