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Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

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Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

#141

"I firmly believe that AI will not replace developers, but a developer using AI will replace a developer who does not." Ugh, anyone who says that and really believes it can no longer see common sense through the hype goggles. It's just stupid and completely 100% wrong, like saying all musicians will use autotune in the future because it makes the music better. It's the same as betting that there will be no new invent…

Full disclosure, I'm on the Kilo Code team, but I read your analogy, and I have to respectfully disagree. Musicians don't all use autotune, because autotune is a specalized technology used to elicit a specific result. BUT, MOST musicians use technology; either to record their work, or mix their tracks, or promote their work. You could definitely say "A musician who doesn't post online to a platform or save their work in certain audio formats at the studio are going to be replaced by musicians who do." Are there musicians who still release their work on vinyl or cassette tapes and prefer the sound of an stage with no microphones? Sure. But to dismiss the overarching influence of technology on the process would be ignoring where the progress is going. I'd argue that people who use Kilo Code don't just "autotune" their code, they're using it as a tool that augments their workflow and lets them build more, faster. That's valuable to an employer. Where the engineer is still vital is in their ability to know what to ask for, how to ask for it, and how to correct the tool when it's wrong, because it'll never been 100% right. It's just not hype, it's inevitable.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

#142
post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> cognitive augmentation that allows developers to navigate complexity at scales human cognition wasn't designed for I don't think you should use LLMs for something you can't master without. > will find themselves unable to compete I'd wait a bit more before concluding so affirmatively. The AI bubble would very much like us to believe this, but we don't yet know very well the long term effects of using LLMs on code,…

“I don’t think you should pay others for something you can’t master without [paying].” is one a hell of an argument to make. Good luck trying.

> is one a hell of an argument to make.

I agree, but it's not mine.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

#143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure but that's different than saying "if you don't use those things you are worthless and will fail"

Ah, I personally read it as "Use of good tools makes you more competitive", but you're right that "I firmly believe that AI will not replace developers, but a developer using AI will replace a developer who does not." could have multiple other readings too.

Author and Kilo Code team member here - yes your interpretation is what I meant...but to be fair as you mention it could be read multiple ways.

Let's be fair - I made it intentionally a little provocative :)

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

#144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm one working on novel tech, without AI. I've never been doing more valuable work or been more in command of my craft. Yet the blanket statement is that I will fail and be replaced, and in fact that people like me don't exist! So heck yeah I'll come clap back on that.

Continuing to develop my craft in the 4th straight year of numbskulls claiming that Chat GPT is the end of history has made me extraordinarily confident in my ability to secure lucrative developer work for the rest of my life.

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Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

#145
It’s not a bait and switch unless you count the payment made for this specific month.

Otherwise it’s just a change in the offering. You can unsubscribe freely.

This sort of entitlement puts me off. Prices for things change all of the time.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

#146
post #111

There’s only one way unlimited plans work: either the seller gets scammed, or the buyer does. When companies sell unlimited plans, they’re making a bet that the average usage across all of those plans will be low enough to turn a profit. These people “abusing” the plan are well within their right to use the API as much as they want. It just didn’t fall into the parameters Anthropic had expected. LLM subscriptions nee…

Nothing is stopping you from using the API directly, if you prefer to donate more money to Anthropic.

I would not personally, as I can't spend thousands per month on an agentic tool. I hope they figure out limits that work. $100 / $200 is still a great deal. And the predictability means my company will pay for it.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

#147
Another front page post which is a thinly-veiled advertisement for a competitor's service. The advertising model is as such: Point out user frustration from another product, harp on it, and then casually mention that your product is better for reasons.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

#148

When you offer "unlimited", you're immediately exposing yourself to the 0.1% of userbase that will absolutely treat it is unlimited. Whale users/hoarders. This has been a known problem since the dawn of hosting...hell, it goes back to times before computers. One thing I miss for the other users, i.e. the casual users that never use anywhere near of their quota, is rollover. If you haven't used your quota this month,…

Thing is, even with users that don't use the quota, these AI companies are still losing money. This isn't a case of the small users paying for large. The true costs of AI are yet to unravel.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

#149
post #69

"I firmly believe that AI will not replace developers, but a developer using AI will replace a developer who does not." Ugh, anyone who says that and really believes it can no longer see common sense through the hype goggles. It's just stupid and completely 100% wrong, like saying all musicians will use autotune in the future because it makes the music better. It's the same as betting that there will be no new invent…

AI isn't a stylistic preference or minor enhancement, but cognitive augmentation that allows developers to navigate complexity at scales human cognition wasn't designed for. Just as the developer who refused to adopt version control, IDEs, or Stack Overflow eventually became unemployable , those who reject tools that fundamentally expand their problem-solving capacity will find themselves unable to compete with those…

> Just as the developer who refused to adopt version control, IDEs, or Stack Overflow eventually became unemployable

This passage forces me to concluse that this comment is sarcasm. Neither IDEs nor the use of Stack Overflow is anywhere near a requirement for being a professional programmer. Surely you realize there are people out there who are happily employed while still using stock Vim or Emacs? Surely you realize there are people out there who solve problems simply by reading the docs and thinking deeply rather than asking SO?

The usage of LLM assistance will not become a requirement for employment, at least not for talented programmers. A company gating on the use of LLMs would be preposterously self-defeating.

Re: Stop selling “unlimited”, when you mean “until we change our minds”

#150

I'm not a fan of usage caps either, but that Reddit post [1] (“You deserve harsh limits”) does highlight a perspective worth considering. When some users burn massive amounts of compute just to climb leaderboards or farm karma, it’s not hard to imagine why providers might respond with tighter limits—not because it's ideal, but because that kind of behavior makes platforms harder to sustain and less accessible for eve…

lets not blame shift anthropic bait and switch to 'bad users' .

Surely they thought about 'bad users' when they released this product. They can't be that naive.

Now that they have captured developer mindshare. users are bad.

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