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Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Post by cafeinux »

vips7L wrote: post #116
ilaksh wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an interesting idea. Just to mention though: LiveScript is a really great language that compiles to JavaScript. https://livescript.net/

Wasn’t LiveScript JS’s original name?

According to Wikipedia, it was a server-side language, that NetScape adapted to client-side and renamed JavaScript a few days before go-live, to piggyback on Java's name and please Sun Microsystem shareholders.

Then people created node.js and went back to server-side JS. Life is cyclical.

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Post by Timwi »

jonny_eh wrote: post #137
toddmorey wrote: post #37

Hear me out: the web / oss community could absolutely band together and rebrand JavaScript. Could be: LiveScript, WebScript, etc. There would be good support and we could do it fairly swiftly. To hell with Oracle.

Hear me out: TypeScript

UntypeScript

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Post by nnurmanov »

kingforaday wrote: post #4

Anyone else read the article and say Oracle JET? What is that?

They did several wrong decisions, first they started building it with old libraries, e.g. JQuery, KnockoutJS, then they they should have opened their no code builder to the public. They are now in the process of porting it to Preact and opened VBCS, but it’s too late. From UI point of view, it is the most complete library

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Post by giorgioz »

Etheryte wrote: post #41
toddmorey wrote: post #37

Hear me out: the web / oss community could absolutely band together and rebrand JavaScript. Could be: LiveScript, WebScript, etc. There would be good support and we could do it fairly swiftly. To hell with Oracle.

We could also rebrand it as Js and it would be the funniest thing ever. Few things would make me happier than seeing Oracle being screwed by something that's technically correct, but clearly nonsense to every living human being.

Yes this seems to have become the best practice with all the JS Conf events and the logo showing JS. But frankly Oracle has always been a jerk and had miopic vision in things like this. I'm happy if someone also fights them on being a mindless jerk. They sued Google over Android using Java which was literally the best thing ever for Java. Java got learned by a whole new generation of developers (myself among those). Google at the time was also publishing the GWT Google Web Toolkit. Oracle would rather own a tombstone with written Java and JavaScript on it rather than set them free and find some other indirect ways to monetize. "If you love something, set them free" doesn't apply to Oracle, whose policies seem to show they have little love for development and software itself.

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Post by egeozcan »

userbinator wrote: post #65
jsheard wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Believe it or not IE was still supported in some capacity until 2022, and the underlying Trident engine is still supported until at least 2029. Edge has an official "IE Mode" which switches the backend from Chromium to Trident, effectively turning it into IE with a modern skin. Microsoft support lifecycles are no joke.

which switches the backend from Chromium to Trident, effectively turning it into IE with a modern skin I wish they'd done the opposite instead: same UI, but with a better browser engine.

I wish someone recreated Netscape Navigator UI with the Gecko engine. I can't give any reasons, I just wish it.

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Post by stevefan1999 »

floydnoel wrote: post #48

I'm glad this is being fought, Oracle is a demon. > The major implementations of JavaScript are in the browsers built by Mozilla, Google, Apple, and Microsoft Isn't MS's browser just Chromium? Weird to add them to the list when they don't build a browser any more. Why not add Brave, etc?

Well, at least I can still install ublock origin on Edge, but I can't do that on Vanilla Chromium (yep, that manifest v3 thing is enabled by default for Chromium in Google's flavor)

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Post by probably_wrong »

Someone1234 wrote: post #125
mech422 wrote: post #115

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I thought that was 'ecmascript' ??

It is, but everyone hates that and has no idea how to say it.

I'm so glad we're all in agreement regarding how to say "gif".

Re: Oracle justified its JavaScript trademark with Node.js–now it wants that ignored

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Post by throwaway2037 »

userbinator wrote: post #101
throwaway2037 wrote: post #80

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> better browser engine I'm confused. Are you saying Chromium or Trident browser engine is better? And, in 2025, is there a better engine than Chromium?

IE UI, Chromium engine.

No trolling: Isn't that Microsoft Edge?
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