Does OpenAI's API attempt to detect this sort of thing? Could they start outputting bad information if they suspect a distillation attempt is underway?
OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor
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Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor
#142This is absolutely hilarious! :) ClosedAI scraped human content without asking and they explained why this was acceptable... but when the outputs of their training corpus is scraped, it is THEIR dataset and this is NOT acceptable! Oh, the irony! :D I shared a few screenshots of DeepSeek answering using ChatGPT's output in yesterday's article! https://semking.com/deepseek-china-ai-model-breakthrough-sec...
openai should pay creators, but: 1. scraping the internet and making AI out of it 2. using the AI from #1 to create another AI are not the same thing.
You're right, (1) is violating the rights of a large portion of the population, (2) is violating the rights of one company
Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor
#143How the turntables...
Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor
#144This is absolutely hilarious! :) ClosedAI scraped human content without asking and they explained why this was acceptable... but when the outputs of their training corpus is scraped, it is THEIR dataset and this is NOT acceptable! Oh, the irony! :D I shared a few screenshots of DeepSeek answering using ChatGPT's output in yesterday's article! https://semking.com/deepseek-china-ai-model-breakthrough-sec...
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I personally love this chef's kiss of a flip flop sam did here:
https://blog.samaltman.com/trump
https://www.reddit.com/r/YAPms/comments/1i7ry5m/sam_altman_g...
Only a truly talented piece of shit can be as prolific as this.
"He is irresponsible in the way dictators are."
Chef's kiss.
Edit:
Kids, don't aspire to be like Altman. We as a community need to espouse more values than tech is gonna tech.
Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor
#145Next they will try to force us to use our tax dollars to fund their legal fights.
Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor
#146This is absolutely hilarious! :) ClosedAI scraped human content without asking and they explained why this was acceptable... but when the outputs of their training corpus is scraped, it is THEIR dataset and this is NOT acceptable! Oh, the irony! :D I shared a few screenshots of DeepSeek answering using ChatGPT's output in yesterday's article! https://semking.com/deepseek-china-ai-model-breakthrough-sec...
They really lost their minds. They're all scared and worried because companies in other countries can also access the same data they stole from the Internet.
Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor
#147What I find the most comical about this is that the whole situation could be loosely summarized as "OpenAI is losing its job to AI."
Otherwise known as a race to the bottom
Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor
#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
OpenAI's models were also trained on billions of dollars of "free" labor that produced the content that it was trained on.
Oh, absolutely. I'm not defending OpenAI, I just care about accurate reporting. Even on HN - even in this thread - you see people who came away with the conclusion that DeepSeek did something while "cutting cost by 27x". But that's a bit like saying that by painting a a bare wall green you have demonstrated that you can build green walls 27x cheaper, ignoring the cost of building the wall in the first place. Smarter…
You are underselling or not understanding the breakthrough. They trained 600B model on 15T tokens for Not to mention post-training. Their novel GRPO technique used for preference optimization / alignment is also much more efficient than PPO.
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#149I did not have in my cards: PRC open sourcing most powerful LLM by stealing data set from "OpenAI"
As someone that is very Pro-America and Pro-Democracy, the iron here is just...
so sweet.
Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor
#150This is absolutely hilarious! :) ClosedAI scraped human content without asking and they explained why this was acceptable... but when the outputs of their training corpus is scraped, it is THEIR dataset and this is NOT acceptable! Oh, the irony! :D I shared a few screenshots of DeepSeek answering using ChatGPT's output in yesterday's article! https://semking.com/deepseek-china-ai-model-breakthrough-sec...
They have been out-grifted by DeepSeek and OpenAI is not happy about someone out-shining them on that.
The best part is "their IP" was humanity's scraped content and they are angry that DeepSeek did their job for them and gave it away for free.