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OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor

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I quite like a scenery where llm output can't be copyrighted, so that it is possible to eventually train a llm with data from the previous one(s)

OpenAI argues it’s a violation of their terms of service. So there are legal issues if it can be proven.

But OpenAI's model isn't open source, how would they distill knowledge without direct access to the model?

Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenAI argues it’s a violation of their terms of service. So there are legal issues if it can be proven.

But OpenAI's model isn't open source, how would they distill knowledge without direct access to the model?

You don’t need direct access for LLM distillation, just regular API access.

Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor

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I quite like a scenery where llm output can't be copyrighted, so that it is possible to eventually train a llm with data from the previous one(s)

OpenAI argues it’s a violation of their terms of service. So there are legal issues if it can be proven.

Legal issues for who?

Company A pays OpenAI for their API. They use the API to generate or augment a lot of data. They own the data. They post the data on the open Internet.

Company B has the habit of scraping various pages on the Internet to train its large language models, which includes the data posted by Company A. [1]

OpenAI is undoubtedly breaking many terms of service and licenses when it uses most of the open Internet to train its models. Not to mention potential copyright violations (which do not apply to AI outputs).

[1]: This is not hypothetical BTW. In the early days of LLMs, lots of large labs accidentally and not so accidentally trained on the now famous ShareGPT dataset (outputs from ChatGPT shared on the ShareGPT website).

Re: OpenAI says it has evidence DeepSeek used its model to train competitor

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It's reasonably likely that a lot of people linked to the federal government want to ban DeepSeek. You can tell it's being presented away from "they gave us a free set of weights" and towards "they destroyed $1T of shareholder value." (By revealing that Microsoft et al. paid way too much to OpenAI et al. for technology that was actually easy to reinvent.)
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