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The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster
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Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Persian Gulf, despite the name, is not Iranian territorial waters. Anybody can go there. Iran would be well within its rights to send its warships into the Atlantic Ocean, yes.
And what do you think the reaction of Americans would be if that happened? And especially if those warships were prepared to shoot?
It would be a minor news article that most people would not care about, just like when China/Russia sail near US territory in the Pacific (which actually does happen).
Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster
#143I'm so conflicted reading this story. On one hand, yes, there were choices made during the design of the system that directly contributed to this tragedy. And a lot of innocent lives were lost, so saying that's "shit happens, it's an edge case" rings very hollow. On the other hand, this was a very peculiar set of circumstances, very much an edge case. Is it reasonable to expect designers of combat systems to triple c…
> On the other hand, this was a very peculiar set of circumstances, very much an edge case. Is it reasonable to expect designers of combat systems to triple check their choices and run more test scenarios to identify and address such edge cases? I'd say yes. However, I think it's unreasonable to expect them to design a perfect system for a highly volatile and chaotic use case such as war.
Even if this is your position, it doesn't excuse the Navy's blaming of the crew after it happens. Even if the design issues could be written off as a reasonable mistake, the mistake still lies with the design and not with the crew.
Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster
#144What a terrible platform to present an interesting story. What wrong with a good old fashioned article style blog ? I admit I am so turned off by the format I only made it hlf way throught the thread.
As a counterpoint; I really like threaded posts like these. Each post in the thread becomes a kind of sub-heading or meta-paragraph which allows the user to disengage at well defined stops. At the same time, it’s understandable that people don’t like it. The format has its problems, but I find I will read less of a blog post than a thread all else being equal.
But it does not allow the reader to quickly skim the article. It requires the user to interact with each paragraph in order to enable the user to skim it for interesting words.
Old fashioned non-interactive subheadings would allow the user to "disengage at well defined steps" and also to quickly scan ahead.
I see no benefit to the added interactivity.
Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster
#145Everything's possible, but there would be no debate about UI mistakes if it was Iran shooting down a US plane. They would've done because they are evil by nature, or at least perceived as such. In that case the media and the public buys into its own reality, but of course the UI discussion could be a distraction from the public maybe starting to question if that's actually the reality. Also from the Wiki page about t…
> * there would be no debate about UI mistakes if it was Iran shooting down a US plane*
If Iran shot down a US plane and then immediately admitted it was a mistake and helped investigate, I don’t think this is true. People would still be angry and a UI mistake doesn’t really exonerate you from that anger.
Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
Israel is not a state with Christian morale, they are not a part of the "Western world". They have their own religion and morale, which are older than Christianity. Only part of holy books are shared between two.
Who mentioned anything about Christianity??
From a Western perspective, there's no denying at least some Christian influence. We inherit a morality and philosophical tradition and that was shaped by a Christian-dominated culture for a large chunk of its history.
Highly recommend (not Spider-Man) Tom Holland's book Dominion for more on how that all played out.
Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster
#147Not reading your 20-post twitter vomit - just make a blog post dude.
Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster
#148Everything's possible, but there would be no debate about UI mistakes if it was Iran shooting down a US plane. They would've done because they are evil by nature, or at least perceived as such. In that case the media and the public buys into its own reality, but of course the UI discussion could be a distraction from the public maybe starting to question if that's actually the reality. Also from the Wiki page about t…
That’s a stupid comparison because the USSR intentionally shot down a plane without trying to contact it and then didn’t cooperate at all on search efforts. Additionally, the pilot positively identified it was a passenger jet due to the double decker windows but shot anyway because they were shooting down “spy planes”, not anything that was an actual threat. This is in contrast to the US incident where they tried to…
>That’s a stupid comparison because the USSR intentionally shot down a plane without trying to contact it and then didn’t cooperate at all on search efforts.
I don't know much about either incident, but your summary sounds exactly what the OP is saying: "Here are the reasons the Russians did it. It's different, because they're evil".
One side was lying about thinking it was a spy plane, but the other side legitimately thought the plane had missiles on it?
It's actually astonishing that anyone who's been on this planet for more than a couple decades can take any of these narratives seriously.
Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
Russia's invasion of Ukraine is pretty low on civ casualties. Look at Gaza, or the Iraq/Vietnam invasions compare numbers (civ casualties AND time it took) and then draw conclusions on the use of the word genocide. I also would abstain from using "russians" (or USAers, or Israelis) when referring to actions of the respective govts. Keeps the discussion cleaner of generalizations wrt people that may totally not suppor…
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Do you believe they bombed the theater because they were actively trying to kill Ukrainian children?
You know , people tend to believe the "other side" is so evil that they probably actually believe shit like this. That's the kind of belief that makes people think that all means justify the end and why we have wars that kill hundreds of thousands in the first place... if you saw people from the other side as just normal people like you and me you would probably understand that there's a lot more about that story that you and I will not know in a long time, if ever.
Re: The 1988 shooting down of Flight 655 as a user interface disaster
#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
I gave up when I realized that I have to click on each "tweet" to read more
Likewise. There is apparently an extremely unintuitive "Show more for all"[1] button at the top of the initial post. [1] https://i.imgur.com/5l15SM8.png
navigate the UI disaster to read about the UI disaster...
I don't consider this story a UI disaster. Generating different 4-digit codes across terminals for the same object, and recycling those codes regularly... that's a data handling disaster.