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Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by ipaddr »

nwiswell wrote: post #82
bhouston wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

petertodd wrote: > Anyway, if Gazan citizens learn the lessons of their mistakes, they still have a future. That is genocidal language where you are holding civilians accountable. The Gazan population does not favor Hamas according to polling prior to October 7th: https://twitter.com/ForeignAffairs/status/171800792755696451... Hamas was also boosted by Netanyahu in part to prevent a two-state solution and diminish mo…

> That is genocidal language where you are holding civilians accountable. The entire situation is deeply regrettable and it's hard to find any heroes here, but I feel like we forget our own history so easily. The United States, within living memory, conducted a firebombing campaign of Dresden, which had limited military value, killing over 25,000. We interned over 100,000 of our own citizens of Japanese ancestry. We…

Wait until you find out what Canada, Germany, England, China, Russia, Turkey, India, Mexico... did.

Singling out countries is naive.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by culi »

stefan_ wrote: post #55
culi wrote: post #33

Nearly all of the over 7k people killed in Gaza in the past few days are civilians. Sure Hamas, with the help of the media framing of this as a 9/11, gave them a good Casus belli, but Israel has always been good at finding Casus bellis. When Israel again invaded Gaza in 2014, they killed 2,310 people, 70% civilians and lost 67 soldiers in return. Even more destructive was the 7-10k homes completely demolished and 87k…

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Israel killed nearly twice that in 2014 alone. Also the beheading of babies fake news has never been proven despite the Netanyahu administration's insistence on repeating it.

Over 70% of Palestinians killed in the last decade are civilians. It is Israel that is killing indiscriminately. The entire world has tried over and over to pass UN resolutions to hold Israel accountable. The US has used its veto power to overrule these 34 times since 1954

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by DoreenMichele »

bhouston wrote: post #137
civilitty wrote: post #132

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Roof knocking: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roof_knocking

They stopped that practice in this war.

From the wikipedia piece linked to by the person to whom you are replying: Roof knocking occurred during some strikes in the October 2023 Gaza−Israel conflict.

And it links to a piece describing the conflict that began October 7th.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by xkekjrktllss »

arp242 wrote: post #108
xkekjrktllss wrote: post #18

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the west had a different opinion on russia doing the same in ukraine

"The West" doesn't have a single opinion. If there's one topic where opinions are sharply divided then it's this. Any attempt to pigeonhole what "The West" thinks on this topic is nonsense.

tell yourself whatever gets you to sleep at night, but the hegemonic consensus decides where the big bombs drop

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by FireBeyond »

solarpunk wrote: post #61

how does Israel give evacuation warnings if Palestinian telcos are offline?

It doesn't. Barely did when they were online, either. News media were in danger quite a lot, because of it, "late, vague, inaccurate, or never delivered" has been a common refrain about such warnings.

Hell, even the IRA did a better job of issuing warnings about their bombs in The Troubles...

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by bhouston »

petertodd wrote: post #133
bhouston wrote: post #94

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> It's impossible to have that many soldiers without widespread support. Maybe not a majority. But certainly a significant minority. Israel wanted Hamas to rule Gaza though and supported it financially while working against moderate Palestinians: > Netanyahu said: “Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas, ... This is part of o…

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Peter Todd wrote:

> That does not change the fact that Hamas does have widespread support!

I already linked you this survey that showed that Hamas doesn't have widespread support: https://twitter.com/ForeignAffairs/status/171800792755696451...

> If Israel did nothing other than kill the ~40,000 Hamas soldiers, along with destroying military and economic infrastructure, they'll easily buy themselves another 10 years of relative safety. At which point they can do it all over again.

Oh, okay. You are fine with just repeatedly bombing a captive population. It takes all kinds I guess.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by orionsbelt »

solarpunk wrote: post #135
onlyrealcuzzo wrote: post #128

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2 weeks ago...

can you elaborate?

Israel has given repeated warnings for the north of Gaza to evacuate south for the past two weeks while Gaza has had internet. In addition, they have dropped leaflets all over the are stating the same thing.

Re: The destruction of Gaza's internet is complete

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Post by bhouston »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #143
bhouston wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They stopped that practice in this war.

From the wikipedia piece linked to by the person to whom you are replying: Roof knocking occurred during some strikes in the October 2023 Gaza−Israel conflict. And it links to a piece describing the conflict that began October 7th.

I don't know what the situation is since I am not in Gaza, but this CNN article I read early says that it was abandoned recently:

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-ga...

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