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Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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The Democrats have their own flaws certainly, but I’m having such a hard time finding a consistent ideology among conservatives. Free speech absolutism, mixed with parent choice, no choice for women, censorship for some kinds of speech, anti-regulation limited government but strong regulation of tech products. I just can’t square any of this.

That’s just humanity in a nutshell. I’d be more worried if everybody had the same views.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Yes, and a 13 year old should absolutely not use any of those services. Discord in particular has become known as “groomercord” for it’s open pedophilia.

What about YouTube? Lots of educational material there. Fits all of the points.

There is YouTube for kids which is meant to be more stripped down.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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I'm sure many of us wouldn't have been a programmer if we hadn't had access to SO/Github around 17.

I'm sure our parents would have all let us sign up for a programming site. This bill still allows for that.

Who will pay GitHub to not only install age validation but parental bypass (also with validation)?

I don’t believe they even allow under-13 today due to COPA laws.

Of course this focus on the age 13 is completely missing the point that the actual age gate is 17.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Lmao imagine Utah becoming the most mentally healthy region on earth, suicide rates plummeting, productivity up 300%, people spending time with parents and grandparents again? record sign ups in sports clubs, record birth rates etc. Be careful what you wish for ;-)

If the state has total control over every aspect of their citizens' lives they can model the population into any perfect utopia they desire. I'd still not like to live in that world.

Are you referring to China or USSR by chance? Hardly utopias.

It's not about every aspect of life but a few key norms. I see this predatory social media like gambling if not worse, and gambling is regulated in most places

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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I haven't read the bills yet but according to the article it applies to children under 18. 17-year-old me would have considered this draconian bullsh*t, for the same reasons I would now. (So does dad me, incidentally. My kid's messages have always been her business, not mine.)

I'm sure many of us wouldn't have been a programmer if we hadn't had access to SO/Github around 17.

Reddit is also an incredible resource for niche, constructive topics like learning how to build a computer. You could draw the line anywhere you want for social media.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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I'm sure many of us wouldn't have been a programmer if we hadn't had access to SO/Github around 17.

I'm sure our parents would have all let us sign up for a programming site. This bill still allows for that.

You underestimate how hard it might be to get your parent to sign some weird consent form from a "github" site, especially if it asks for a picture of the parent's ID (to ensure the kid isn't accepting the terms on their own behalf).

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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> The bills also impose a social media curfew that blocks children's access between 22:30 and 06:30, unless adjusted by their parents.

The main bill is a possibly a bit overreaching but I’m fully in favour of this part. There’s a huge problem where I live with kids just not going to school and many of those same kids are staying up until 1am each night doom scrolling or watching YouTube.

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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I'm sure many of us wouldn't have been a programmer if we hadn't had access to SO/Github around 17.

GitHub is not being banned. Neither is SO.

What part of the bill provides them an exception?

Re: Utah is first US state to limit teen social media access

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Isn't this the opposite though? They're not telling people how to live their lives. They're taking away the power Facebook has over many people's lives so people might enjoy their lives in more social and healthy ways again.

"any legislation restricting behavior actually frees people to do what they always wanted (the government knows best what that is) but just couldn't because of all these other possibilities misguiding them"

"there should be no laws against tobacco, alcohol, drug abuse, gambling because people can't possibly be misguided by powerful corporate interests for profit or otherwise"
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