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Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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It's all very Brexit reminiscent.

"Let's leave the EU and get rid of all this red tape and beaurocracy"

leave EU

discover why all those rules were necessary

slowly re-invent a crappy copy of the above rules, at great personal expense, because the same external forces that existed before require them

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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>HN is much more heavily moderated than those websites. This couldn't be further from the truth. Reddit is orders of magnitude more heavily moderated than HN. Your average run of the mill subreddit has more moderators than the entirety of HN. >Which is a good thing, it's why conversations here tend to be of a higher quality. I think the conversations here are higher because of the userbase, not dang's moderation. The…

Don’t forget that HN is also self moderated through upvotes/downvotes (I’ve never used Reddit, does it have similar?). This does two things IMO—first, low quality posts become less and less readable which reduces incentive to make inflammatory posts, but second it also imposes self moderation (except for users that resort to throwaway accounts) since losing too many karma points removes some of your ability to partic…

Yes! Reddit has this exact same feature.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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My idea, which I've posted before, is that you require users to pay to turn off the filter. (After all, if they're bad for ad revenue, they can't be "the product".) This also mostly enforces region-locking, at least requiring some effort to bypass.

But that leads to dog wagging. Twitter as a platform would be incentivized to encourage hate speech etc in order to have something to entice people to pay to access it.

That is a concern. But I suspect the market for a moderated ad-supported Twitter is quite a bit larger than that for a paid unmoderated Twitter, and the elasticity you have to "promote hate speech" without really alienating people is not large — people already got mad at Facebook for counting "angry react" as engagement, and that's not even close to being hate speech.

On the other hand, it also incentivizes aggressive moderation of the free section, since malingerers can be told to pay up.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Did he post a swastika? I'm not aware of what exactly got him banned. Wasn't Elon talking about the US anyway? Political speech itself is banned in many countries, so surely that wasn't his measure.

He also appeared on Alex Jones and was accompanied by white supremacist Nick Fuente and decided to go all in. The rapper said: “I see good things about Hitler … Every human being has something of value that they brought to the table, especially Hitler.” Jones replied: “The Nazis were thugs.” “But they did good things too,” Ye said. “We gotta stop dissing the Nazis all the time.” “Oh my goodness … just because you don…

> “But they did good things too,” Ye said.

That is the same exact boilerplate response we get over here by extreme right wingers (assuming non extreme right wingers do exist, which over here is not the case) when talking about the atrocities committed by the Mussolini regime: "he did good things too". Yeah sure, like conscience is something that can be recharged like a cellphone battery: "Ok, I've helped 99 old ladies to cross the road, so now I'm entitled to beat and robber the next one!". Those people are full of shit, period.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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One big online platform that has totally skimped on reasonable moderation is the charmingly named "E-Mail". Child porn, copyright infringement, harassment, hate speech, spam, you name it. Anything goes. It's a complete free-for-all. Giant internet companies like Google and Microsoft make billions of dollars a year through their partnerships with the E-Mail platform. These big companies do make a token effort to remov…

Let it be known. Elon Musk banned Kanye even though he didnt break the law.

Elon Musk lied when he said he's a "free speech absolutist".

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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One big online platform that has totally skimped on reasonable moderation is the charmingly named "E-Mail". Child porn, copyright infringement, harassment, hate speech, spam, you name it. Anything goes. It's a complete free-for-all. Giant internet companies like Google and Microsoft make billions of dollars a year through their partnerships with the E-Mail platform. These big companies do make a token effort to remov…

This is unfortunately exactly what will happen. What is scary to me is how censorship has become completely accepted by the new generation, including software engineers here in their 20s. No true hacker (this is Hacker News after all) would be OK with corporation or government censorship. Slippery slope is real.

Exactly.

Hackers are naturally anti-authoritarian. Anyone who can give you orders can stop you from solving whatever problem you're being fascinated by -- and, given the way authoritarian minds work, will generally find some appallingly stupid reason to do so. So the authoritarian attitude has to be fought wherever you find it, lest it smother you and other hackers.

Authoritarians thrive on censorship and secrecy. And they distrust voluntary cooperation and information-sharing -- they only like `cooperation' that they control. So to behave like a hacker, you have to develop an instinctive hostility to censorship, secrecy, and the use of force or deception to compel responsible adults.

https://courses.cs.duke.edu/spring01/cps004/readings/hacker....

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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I think they kind of have. Musk replied "that's fine" to Ye posting the Musk yacht photo and "that is not" to the Star of David Nazi symbol which suggests that was the final line for the ban. The "going deathcon one on the Jews", which led to the pre-Musk ban, is arguably a more explictly a violent threat than the symbol.

The swastika itself represents historical violence on the Jews. I would argue it alone is an explicit threat of violence because I can't see what other meaning today it could have?

Oh don't get me wrong, they are both unacceptable and I haven't and don't want to see the symbol tweet. I personally find words more impactful, revealing of intent and suggesting action than symbols. I say arguable because I don't which was worse, or if it's a worthy discussion, but the deathcon tweet is enough for me to see an unwell/dangerous person that needs a ban just to save them from themselves let alone anyone else.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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The swastika itself represents historical violence on the Jews. I would argue it alone is an explicit threat of violence because I can't see what other meaning today it could have?

The swastiska has had a very long history, before the Nazis misused it for their purpose. wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika So when kayne used it, of course he referred to the Nazi symbol and just wanted attention and strongly hint at his antisemitism. But other people can mean something very different: "In several major Indo-European religions, the swastika symbolises lightning bolts, representing the thunder god and the…

I'm aware, I'm sure most people are because this tidbit is always brought up when the swastika is discussed. The context is clear all around though

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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post #125

One big online platform that has totally skimped on reasonable moderation is the charmingly named "E-Mail". Child porn, copyright infringement, harassment, hate speech, spam, you name it. Anything goes. It's a complete free-for-all. Giant internet companies like Google and Microsoft make billions of dollars a year through their partnerships with the E-Mail platform. These big companies do make a token effort to remov…

Let it be known. Elon Musk banned Kanye even though he didnt break the law. Elon Musk lied when he said he's a "free speech absolutist".

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Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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He probably got scared by advertisers or Apple or something. Ideally in my opinion, Twitter should have a setting by default that hides all of that content, but if you disable it you get 4chan-like moderation (so anything that's legal). In countries with a lesser degree of freedom of speech (I think swastikas are illegal in Germany for example), you wouldn't be able to disable that setting.

Issue with that though is that a lot who post offensive content want to actually offend, they just don't want to share it with fellow free speech absolutists. So you'll have some trying to get around that filter (e.g. instead of "groomer", they say "gr00mer".
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