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Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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I personally had hoped the pan demic would normalize the wearing of gloves when in public, to be taken off as needed to eat, etc. But here we are. [Edited to explicitly indicate that this was a satirical post]

Some people here in HN said that the pandemic would normalise using masks - the way things are now every time I see someone wearing a mask I can’t help but think that they are ill and infectious; it’s very very rare. So glad that we are back to the way it was.

I just got a phone message reminder from my County health department emphasizing getting the booster. It’s motivating me to go ahead and put it on my priority list, at my specialist center there are a ton of cancer patients and the masks are now stated as mandatory for all. Not enforced but still, it’s posted.

I thought masks were the clearest indicator of a person’s perspective on themselves and their role in society: the same ones who complain about their rights being oppressed are the ones who get the most upset with people like me who take them at their word and then suddenly discover hypocrisy at the core.

I’m so glad we had this moment for people to show their true selves in such a simple fashion. Not as easy as the “Insane” hand stamp that Homer Simpson got (“why won’t this wash off?!?!”) but it’s nature at work again. See bright color snake or reptile? Likely poisonous as a defense mechanism. See a human with dyed hair and a bunch of metal shit in their face? Different kind of poisonous but still there. No mask during peak time = asshole.

The same kind of asshole that doesn’t put their shopping cart / trolley back in the corral. Yes, those people are assholes. If you’re that lazy, reader, stop acting like an asshole.

Hope you have a living will or your own respirator on standby, cuz your attitude is going to mandate in the long run you’re in the “didn’t give a shit then, so we don’t give a shit now” pile. It’s called a hospital.

A very, very close friend was saved by NYC EMTs and Doctors and from that experience career changed into a full RN now on a cardiac ward in Ohio. He’s super high risk and excerpt from COVID work thankfully. It was a hard job at first, watching 50% of patients die because what brought them in was too late to fix. Game over.

When COVID hit he told me stories of how many middle America reasonable people were in denial as it was killing them in beds. They fought until the end. The worst ones realized they fucked up and would pay for it and with no friends or family on the way out. Fuckin brutal, death in cold sterile isolation with yourself to blame. Intellectual suicide.

It will never be the way it was ever again, because our society is broken because people like you care more about the wrong shit than you can admit, and politely, don’t wear a mask, fully inhale on that helium tank to entertain your friends with a funny voice at your next party.

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Huh. Weird, it's definitely moved the overton window a ton where I am and I'm glad of it. It's totally normal and nobody cares one way or the other as far as I've noticed. It's nice to be able to mask up without any feeling of stigma about it. Masking up just sort of seems like the altruistic move on public transit and the like, this was true before covid, esp during flu season, and I always felt a little embarrassed…

It takes a special kind of person to cover half their face with a dirty mask and make it harder for themselves to breathe just so they don’t catch a cold.

Where are your presumptions that the mask is both dirty & it makes the wearer have difficulty breathing?

Projection of your overall health & cleanliness?

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Also, Apple: Chinese workers flee Covid lockdown at iPhone factory https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63447755 . Elsewhere in India, Apple is up its game. India's Tata to add Up to 45,000 woman workers at iPhone parts plant to deal with the shortage of parts created by zero lockdown policy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-01/india-s-t... . More and more stuff is moving to other parts of Asia. So…

Makes one wonder what exactly they know about the virus which scares them so much.

They just can't convince enough of their elderly to take the vaccine, so they have to choose between continuing the lockdowns or letting a large chunk of their elderly population die out of anti-vax stubbornness.

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post #122

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Huh. Weird, it's definitely moved the overton window a ton where I am and I'm glad of it. It's totally normal and nobody cares one way or the other as far as I've noticed. It's nice to be able to mask up without any feeling of stigma about it. Masking up just sort of seems like the altruistic move on public transit and the like, this was true before covid, esp during flu season, and I always felt a little embarrassed…

It takes a special kind of person to cover half their face with a dirty mask and make it harder for themselves to breathe just so they don’t catch a cold.

Compare that to East Asia, where wearing a mask during Flu season was a common thing to prevent your own disease to spread to others long before Covid was known (I've seen sources claiming they started doing so after the Spanish Flu).

Of course, we cannot expect us Westerners to have that level of compassion and common sense.

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> washing hands I always thought the pandemic will make fist bumps or other forms of greetings “mainstream”. But everyone (I know) have reverted back to hand shakes. I guessing the same with Covid hygiene measures. > get the vaccine without turning into political drama all over Twitter. Like the majority of the people not taking the vaccine are on Twitter or do so because of social media drama.

I prefer handshakes to make sure someone isn't carrying a knife or dagger. Covid is less of a worry.

You can find out a lot about a person with a UFIA.

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Their strategy is extremely successful. They have an excuse to lock people down and turn parts of the country into a prison any time they want.. forever!

Are you saying that the CCP just wants to lock up people for the perverse pleasure of having random people locked up? Regimes lock up particular people when particular people are a threat. They may lock people up unnecessarily just to err on the side of caution. But if they overdo it it can backfire. So far the main reason I hear from Chinese people to criticize Xi and the CCP is mostly about COVID and lockdowns, and…

It's sort of a neo-hukou system? A positive covid signal is basically house arrest. Since they do covid tests in batches of 20, it is expected to get false positives.

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They're still able to have fun there. Rides continue to work :) On the other side, in some parts of Europe there's a discussion to let the infected go to work (even with symptoms and of course, if one's feeling capable of work) - but, still, go to work with other infected/work with infected. I can understand that with so high density in people even one infection can lead to big massive spreads and thus to overloaded…

Here in the Netherlands, it may not be policy, but a large number of people just don't care anymore. People with symptoms like coughing and changing tone of voice are still going to school, work and parties. No one wears masks except for some tourists or other foreigners. When planning an event, not a single moment is thought about COVID.

I wish we (in my case America, but this applies everywhere outside some parts of East Asia really) could just go back to normal but have normal include not going outside, or at least wearing a mask and frequently washing hands when you get the cold...

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Also, Apple: Chinese workers flee Covid lockdown at iPhone factory https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63447755 . Elsewhere in India, Apple is up its game. India's Tata to add Up to 45,000 woman workers at iPhone parts plant to deal with the shortage of parts created by zero lockdown policy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-01/india-s-t... . More and more stuff is moving to other parts of Asia. So…

> So how long can China keep up with this zero policy as factories move production elsewhere? The divestment of China has more reasons than just COVID: - Wages in China have risen to a point where other countries have an advantage because unchecked capitalism always optimizes for "inefficiency", and labor costs are an immense factor for these extremely large operations - Western sanctions against China have increased…

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Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Also, Apple: Chinese workers flee Covid lockdown at iPhone factory https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63447755 . Elsewhere in India, Apple is up its game. India's Tata to add Up to 45,000 woman workers at iPhone parts plant to deal with the shortage of parts created by zero lockdown policy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-01/india-s-t... . More and more stuff is moving to other parts of Asia. So…

The question is what is the problem the Chinese government wants to solve?

If they want to limit demonstrations and get even more power over the people, lockdowns and not allowing mRNA based vaccines inside the country is a great tool.

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> Lockdown may be a temporary solution. The long-term solution is to maintain better hygiene (masks, washing hands) and get the vaccine without turning into political drama all over Twitter. Outside of China, how many countries continued a lockdown solution after vaccines became widely available (in that country)? Some countries at least pursued split lockdowns where vaccinated people were completely free.

Which was controversial in my country from the onset, and which has recently become even more controversial when it was revealed that Pfizer didn't actually test for transmission prevention in their product. Not trying to shoehorn this discussion into politics, but the movement pushing back against lockdowns and forced/semi-forced vaccination isn't composed entirely out of anti-vaxxers or conspiracy nuts.

> Which was controversial in my country from the onset, and which has recently become even more controversial when it was revealed that Pfizer didn't actually test for transmission prevention in their product.

I'm quite sure it's always going to be controversial to enforce a lockdown, no matter what country you're in. In some countries the controversy will be whispered because it cannot be shouted, but it doesn't make it less controversial.

Still, if the only goal of the lockdowns was to keep the health system from collapsing, and the vaccines effectively reduced the health problems associated with infection, then a relatively relaxed attitude about infection amongst vaccinated individuals is completely consistent with my implicit claim, here made explicit: that the lessons my original PP alleged we learnt so we could do better next time are exactly what we came up with in the height of the pandemic. Yet it was extremely divisive and destructive of social unity. I honestly doubt most democratic/responsible countries could do the same thing if another pandemic came out in five years time - even the same leaders would make different decisions. If the lesson is "what we did was the best we could do", then that just isn't good enough.

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