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Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to election fraud charges

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Post by anonymouse008 »

pvg wrote: post #127
jaywalk wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No, it doesn’t happen often enough to undermine the integrity of elections in the aggregate. Ridiculous to just throw this out as if it's a concrete fact. Even changing the outcome of a Presidential election doesn't require any kind of sweeping, nationwide fraud campaign. Just enough well-placed ones where the vote will be close enough that the fraud doesn't have to be too large. I'm not saying it has or hasn't hap…

Ridiculous to just throw this out as if it's a concrete fact. It appears to be a concrete fact this fraud did not change the outcome in any election. The scrutiny also goes way up as you move up hierarchy of election importance.

I wonder if Watergate's operations continued uninterrupted by 'you pesky kids (reporters)' what kind of innovations would be expected in that market?

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Post by shadowgovt »

jaywalk wrote: post #80
astrange wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s because the people who want voter ID also want to make it harder to get an ID and won’t accept student IDs but will accept eg your gun club ID. Banning mail in ballots doesn’t sound like much of a good policy.

> It’s because the people who want voter ID also want to make it harder to get an ID BS. > and won’t accept student IDs. Nor should they. > Banning mail in ballots doesn’t sound like much of a good policy. Why? Do you disagree that fraud is easier with mail-in ballots?

Perhaps worth noting: the fraud perpetrated in this story was completely independent of mail-in ballots.

In Pennsylvania, mail-in ballots don't even pass through the level of the bureaucracy that was bribed to compromise the in-person vote totals.

"Do mail-in ballots make fraud easier" is a multi-dimensional question. At some level of resolution, everything that makes exercising the right to vote easier makes fraud easier. US history is too rife with examples of attempts to deny the right to vote under surface-level-sound justifications to take any such question at face value.

Re: Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to election fraud charges

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Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC »

superb-owl wrote: post #90
jandrese wrote: post #62

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This is definitely going to be used as proof that Trump won in a landslide in 2020 and all of the poll watchers nationwide are in the (((Democrats))) pockets. > some straightforward cryptographic scheme Anybody who designs cryptographic systems is LOLing right now.

I'm not talking about inventing a new method for encryption. I'm talking about something along the lines of: * Every registered voter gets an encryption key * When you vote, your vote is encrypted with the key * A list of everyone who voted, along with their encrypted vote, is semi-publicly available (like current voter registration lists [1]) * Anyone can check who they're registered as having voted for (but the enc…

This has the downside that a person can prove how they voted.

This opens it to risk of bribery and coercion.

Right now, you can prove that you voted, but not actually how you voted.

Re: Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to election fraud charges

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Post by LadyCailin »

bpicolo wrote: post #74
jaywalk wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no mention of electronic voting machines. Nothing described in this press release would even require electronic voting machines. They cast actual (fraudulent) votes and then falsified the records in the polling books to match.

> The voting machines at each polling station, including in the 39th Ward, 36th Division, generate records in the form of a printed receipt documenting the use of each voting machine...Demuro would add fraudulent votes on the voting machine Sure there is

How is this different than dropping in additional paper ballots into a ballot box? If it isn’t, then this has nothing to do with the machine, but rather control of the “ballot box”.

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Post by cyberge99 »

bpicolo wrote: post #74
jaywalk wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no mention of electronic voting machines. Nothing described in this press release would even require electronic voting machines. They cast actual (fraudulent) votes and then falsified the records in the polling books to match.

> The voting machines at each polling station, including in the 39th Ward, 36th Division, generate records in the form of a printed receipt documenting the use of each voting machine...Demuro would add fraudulent votes on the voting machine Sure there is

Tabulator could have printed a receipt from scantron sheet feed.

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Post by jl6 »

mikeyouse wrote: post #76
izzydata wrote: post #7

I wonder if his actions managed to change the outcome of any election.

He was changing on the order of 40 votes at a single precinct for local judgeships in primary elections.. It could have swung things but only for very small races when there's exceptionally low turnout.

Makes you wonder what the point was if it was so lacking in impact.

Re: Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to election fraud charges

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Post by codedokode »

daenz wrote: post #31

They make it sound so simple: Bribe the Judge of Elections who oversees everything. Dilute the vote tallies by using the voting machines to increment the votes for specific candidates. Certify that the fake results are correct. Lie if anybody asks. This person did this with 2 separate judges. Why is it so easy?

> Why is it so easy?

Because nobody was watching when they meddled with voting machines. If there was someone oberving or at least a camera, this would be easy to discover.

Re: Former U.S. congressman, operative pleads guilty to election fraud charges

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Post by flyingcircus3 »

mercy_dude wrote: post #105
flyingcircus3 wrote: post #77

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So then what, if not investigations or evidence, has lead you to believe that this fraud happened?

Oh there are plenty of evidences. There were even before the election. There were postal officials who were destroying ballots in one state that was well reported. We just decided to look the other way.

So much evidence, which was so well reported, that you can't be bothered to provide any falsifiable details whatsoever.
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