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Re: I/O 2022

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They've become really disappointing. When Google IO started it was a nice fun tech presentation with a lot of side classes showing devs how to work with these new google technologies. Now, it's mostly just google introducing new products to the press.

When they introduce new products, do they say "and really we won't abandon this in 2 years" and keep a straight face, or do they just not even bother?

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Multiple mentions of "skin tone" and AI. Did they really mess up skin tone recognition that bad that they needed three different solutions to it? (I feel like I missed some major fuckup on their end) https://blog.google/products/assistant/assistant-io-2022/ https://blog.google/products/search/monk-skin-tone-scale/ https://blog.google/technology/research/ai-monk-scale-skin-t...

The Pixel 6 Pro camera, which they showcase and market as capable of representing true skin tone [1], has been a pain in the neck for me. I am a brown skinned person with a balding head and the camera preview and final product are completely different. The final product adds random blotches of dark tones on my face and head. None of the photos are usable. This is 100% reproducible especially in bright day light. I filed a bug report with offer to send in my pictures as samples, not a single response, its been 4+ months.

1. https://store.google.com/intl/en/discover/realtone/

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Excluding skin color and gender is being blind to prejudice, not fighting it.

This attitude promotes prejudice, merely redirecting it to whatever demographic is convenient to paint as "dominant", it will never solve the problem because it explicitly prescribes different treatment based on ethnicity/gender. Its an emotionally appealing but logically nonsensical justification for bigotry. And particularly appealing to people who are more interested in power than actual equality.

Good thing then being inclusive involves all races and genders then, including the dominant one.

It would be pretty terrible if a historically "dominant" demographic felt persecuted because of equal options with emoji colors.

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The default was yellow which basically represents white people.

The default was yellow which basically represents white people. I guess you missed the day Yellow Peril was covered in history class. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril

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Re: I/O 2022

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I popped in for a few minutes to verify something. I'm ... over this whole annual what's new presentation stuff. I just don't care anymore. And honestly the three presenters I saw didn't even seem like they rehearsed at all. They just read from the prompter and tried to put excitement in their voice at the same time and it just fell flat.

I think Apple, Samsung and Google should give up on this whole iPhone 13 and Pixel 6 naming and numbering scheme and stop pretending like it is going to be an exciting brand new product every single year. They should name them more like cars where you can always expect there to be the latest revision each year, but you never expect it to be something completely new that you need to upgrade to. We need the iPhone (202…

Is there a whole lot of difference between “iPhone 15” and “iPhone (2023)”? Aside from the fact that relegating the version number to parentheses makes it more likely to be omitted and thus more likely to cause confusion for users trying to troubleshoot.

I like the version number being explicit and visible. You know what you’re getting. Pretending versions don’t exist just reminds me of OEMs swapping out components but keeping the same model number, making it impossible to know whether you are buying one built to the original design or to a cheaper design.

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WWDC and other Apple events justify more hype because they are market leaders in mobile. When you watch an Apple event you are often seeing things for the first time. Google Pixel is blatantly copying the Apple product portfolio, from custom chip designs to now Airpod Pro clones. Where would Google be with Pixel if Apple didn't exist? It is literally spun up division to copy the most valuable company in the world. We…

> Google Pixel is blatantly copying the Apple product portfolio, from custom chip designs to now Airpod Pro clones. Google relentlessly copies every other company in the industry, and it's been going on for years now. >You can look at Google’s entire portfolio of launches over the past decade, and trace nearly all of them to copying a competitor: Google+ (Facebook), Google Cloud (AWS), Google Home (Amazon Echo), Allo…

You can do the same exercise for Apple and find loads of copying, but Apple fans will say the Apple feature or product somehow wasn't a copy. Even in your own list, there are Apple copies, like HomePod and App Clips. Earin preceeded Airpods (along with a long line of bluetooth earpieces).

Apple has copied tons of features from Android, Chrome, and Maps over the years, mostly ignored, but as soon as Android gets a feature iOS had, Apple fanboys make a huge deal over it. Apple's been playing this game for decades, all the way back to the era of constantly accusing Microsoft of copying "Redmond, start your copiers!"

Apple literally stole Spotify's entire business model for Apple Music, and then turned around and used their platform ownership to punish them. Apple Fitness copied Fitbit and Peleton. Apple TV+ basically followed everyone else getting into streaming. Hell, it appeared at one point, they were even going to copy Tesla by making an EV.

All major tech companies have a 'copy, acquire, kill' strategy for competition. Apple is not different.

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I think Apple, Samsung and Google should give up on this whole iPhone 13 and Pixel 6 naming and numbering scheme and stop pretending like it is going to be an exciting brand new product every single year. They should name them more like cars where you can always expect there to be the latest revision each year, but you never expect it to be something completely new that you need to upgrade to. We need the iPhone (202…

Yea cars have this notion of model years. Everyone knows nothing really changes between model years except the trim. It's the vehicle generation you care about. I think the focus should be on holding press conferences when you genuinely have something new to show off otherwise it's just fluff.

Car companies' annual events where they unveil all their new models are huge. They've been happening every year since forever.

It's likely the tech industry copied them.

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https://careers.google.com/ , scroll down to "Spotlight", scroll over to "Data center roles" or "Staff Software Engineer", both pictures of white male talking to white female. Globally white people are about 10% of the population, so I'd expect 1 in 10 people in a representative sample to be white, which feels about right for much of Google's marketing material.

A lone white male. Sorry it wasn't totally clear.

For all intents and purposes, women count as minorities. Google has plenty of pictures with white women, and white men and women. But so far I have only found one picture with a lone white male (on one of the chromecast pages, on the TV was a show page, and the show page had a lone white male). I guess they can get 1/2 credit for that. Oh and I found a picture of a lone white guy, but he was disabled. So I guess that technically counts, although he would still fall into the "minority/disadvantaged" camp.

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I think Apple, Samsung and Google should give up on this whole iPhone 13 and Pixel 6 naming and numbering scheme and stop pretending like it is going to be an exciting brand new product every single year. They should name them more like cars where you can always expect there to be the latest revision each year, but you never expect it to be something completely new that you need to upgrade to. We need the iPhone (202…

I work at Google and I don't always know which phone is which. It's a phone. It does phone things.

I wish. Pixel 6 (Pro) often has trouble doing "phone things", like making calls or transmitting data.

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Multiple mentions of "skin tone" and AI. Did they really mess up skin tone recognition that bad that they needed three different solutions to it? (I feel like I missed some major fuckup on their end) https://blog.google/products/assistant/assistant-io-2022/ https://blog.google/products/search/monk-skin-tone-scale/ https://blog.google/technology/research/ai-monk-scale-skin-t...

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The google challenge: Find a lone picture of a white male in any of their marketing or corporate material.

Where's Waldo: 2022 Edition.

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