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Re: I/O 2022

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Post by hbn »

corrral wrote: post #90
sidibe wrote: post #5

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All of these events are dull. I don't see why WWDC get people any more hyped except that they have a lot more fans.

When I did a lot of dual-platform mobile dev, the teams would always watch Google and Apple events. The Apple ones were exciting, because they'd usually announce a bunch of OS and development-related stuff we could start using very soon. The Google ones were kind of a bummer, because the (appropriate and justified) mood in the room was "well, this feature might be cool to use... in five years or so." The only people…

> "well, this feature might be cool to use... in five years or so."

At which point they'll deprecate it within a year or 2 in favor of their flashy new thing that will replace it

Re: I/O 2022

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Post by three_seagrass »

SemanticStrengh wrote: post #60
valbaca wrote: post #19

Multiple mentions of "skin tone" and AI. Did they really mess up skin tone recognition that bad that they needed three different solutions to it? (I feel like I missed some major fuckup on their end) https://blog.google/products/assistant/assistant-io-2022/ https://blog.google/products/search/monk-skin-tone-scale/ https://blog.google/technology/research/ai-monk-scale-skin-t...

So much hypocrisy going on. If fighting racism was the goal Unicode should not have added skin colored emojis. This is the dumbest move ever.

Excluding skin color and gender is being blind to prejudice, not fighting it.

Re: I/O 2022

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Post by staunch »

Hasu wrote: post #82
staunch wrote: post #44

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> What’s with so much hostility? There's a popular and cynical meme that people like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk are just marketing bullshitters that don't actually do anything useful. It's laughably false and easily disproved. And yet it seems to comfort cynical/pessimistic/unhappy/ignorant people, of which many exist, and so it prevails.

"There's a popular and cynical meme" is another way of phrasing, "There are people who evaluate these people's contributions differently than I do" > It's laughably false and easily disproved. Then disprove it, instead of relying on an ad hominem assumption of what's going on inside someone else's brain. As it stands all you've done is claim that a criticism exists and that the people who state that criticism have mo…

> "There are people who evaluate these people's contributions differently than I do"

That would presume we're talking about people with approximately equivalent knowledge that simply come to different, but reasonable, conclusions.

But this is not the case. What I see in this meme is people betraying their ignorance and motivated reasoning at every turn. There's nothing knowledgeable or reasonable about their assertions. It's always highly vitriolic and dismissive toxicity. It's not that they're simply mistaken about certain facts, and can be corrected, it's that they're transparently ignorant and/or acting in bad faith.

For example, it's extremely uncommon, maybe even unheard of, for someone with a deep knowledge of technology history to agree with these kinds of dismissals of Steve Jobs or Elon Musk. I've never seen someone able to discuss the topic at a high level that won't readily acknowledge their contributions, even if they can be very critical of them in certain ways. As one example among many: historian and professor Walter Isaacson wrote well respected books about Benjamin Franklin, Albert Einstein, and Steve Jobs. He is currently writing one about Elon Musk.

Re: I/O 2022

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Post by staunch »

SemanticStrengh wrote: post #75
staunch wrote: post #44

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> What’s with so much hostility? There's a popular and cynical meme that people like Steve Jobs and Elon Musk are just marketing bullshitters that don't actually do anything useful. It's laughably false and easily disproved. And yet it seems to comfort cynical/pessimistic/unhappy/ignorant people, of which many exist, and so it prevails.

OK I challenge you to try to engage and bring constructive evidence then. Give a summary of what steve jobs and musk have done to improve the human condition/world. While Apple has achieved some moderately useful advances you have to divide the amount of progress given by the amount of money captured. Apple has an almost negligible ratio in that regard. Musk has achieved even less.

> OK I challenge you to try to engage and bring constructive evidence then

What kind of evidence would convince you? Wikipedia has summaries. Of course, they necessarily lack the context required to deeply understand the topic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs#Innovations_and_des...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk#Business_career

> Apple has an almost negligible ratio in that regard. Musk has achieved even less.

I challenge you to give evidence for these assertions. I would be convinced if you explained how you came to this conclusion and explained how you calculated the terms of this ratio.

Re: I/O 2022

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Post by ben_w »

adamrezich wrote: post #116
ben_w wrote: post #95

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People like customising these things to be mini-avatars as a form of self expression. I don’t see a reason to get upset about this option existing — not even from the perspective of “oh no strings are even weirder, I can’t safely treat them as a stream of bytes all the time”, given that combining characters are needed for other stuff anyway. (No idea why you think other skin tones can’t be added later).

>(No idea why you think other skin tones can’t be added later). because why would we add further bloat and implementation complexity to something that is already bloated and complex to implement?

You believe that’s a reason to think it can’t be done?

Re: I/O 2022

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Post by i2shar »

Hasu wrote: post #117
hobofan wrote: post #66

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> iPhone 13 and Pixel 6 I think the fact that they are in those high numbers already shows that they "stopped pretending like it is going to be an exciting brand new product every single year". The numbering there is pretty straightforward compared to e.g. the Macbook namings, or the convoluted naming of other brands with stacked variation signifiers, like the "Xiaomi 11 lite 5G NE".

> The numbering there is pretty straightforward compared to e.g. the Macbook namings I'm confused, while Apple has silly naming conventions for their operating system, the Macbook line doesn't have that at all. It's just the Macbook (and the Macbook Pro and the Macbook Air), Apple doesn't even give them different names or years. Am I missing something that isn't incredibly straightforward about the Macbook naming?

Yes, you are missing the sillier "Late 2014", "Early 2019" naming of MacBook Pros and others :)

Re: I/O 2022

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Post by staindk »

drusepth wrote: post #89
rpmisms wrote: post #50

Pixel 6a dropped the headphone jack. Great. Gotta find another brand now.

Any recommendations? I've been holding off on upgrading my shattered-screen 3a for almost 6 months assuming I'd get the 6a when it released, so pretty much anything would be an upgrade at this point. I'm really just looking for a good camera, a headphone jack, and a good battery.

Sony phones (at least the ones I looked at and then stopped looking at once I saw their prices) seem to still have audio jacks. And amazing cameras.

They seem to be great phones, the price tag is just crazy to me (as with all other flagships tbf).

Re: I/O 2022

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Post by staunch »

ben_w wrote: post #91
staunch wrote: post #43

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It's not merely "gushing" to be excited about new technology breakthroughs. And Musk, through his companies, is actively delivering today on Starlink, Tesla, Dragon, and Starship to name a few big ones. This meme that he's "all talk" is easily disproved for any honest observer.

Yes, although: while the Starship project is incredibly impressive, it can’t really be said to have delivered until it’s actually reached orbit. Until then, it’s like the stuff Boeing, Lockheed, ULA etc. have spent even longer developing and have also not reached orbit with.

The claim was that Musk's companies haven't "built" anything. Versions of Starship have clearly been built and launched, even if the project is still in development. It's a very real project and anyone can watch its developmental progress live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg

I doubt you or anyone else would bet significant money that Starship won't reach orbit. If so, I'd be happy to accept.

For the record, I don't think you can point to any project even remotely equivalent in terms of capability or progress from Boeing, Lockheed, or ULA. I'd be happy if they were doing nearly as well as SpaceX.

My other examples: Starlink, Tesla, and Dragon have clearly been "built" and shipped. Starlink is the hands of consumers, is actively helping Ukraine for military and humanitarian purposes, Tesla has shipped millions of vehicles, and Dragon Crew had another successful rendezvous with ISS days ago.

I could spend a lot more time providing examples but consider these to be more than sufficient to disprove the claim that Elon Musk's companies haven't "actually built anything he announces" in "years".

Re: I/O 2022

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Post by adamrezich »

ben_w wrote: post #125
adamrezich wrote: post #116

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>(No idea why you think other skin tones can’t be added later). because why would we add further bloat and implementation complexity to something that is already bloated and complex to implement?

You believe that’s a reason to think it can’t be done?

not at all, of course. realistically the biggest impediment to adding more skin tones is that if the list of additional skin tones wasn't completely exhaustive, there would be public outcry. as it stands right now, the simple gradient scale is "good enough," so there isn't much impetus to add any more.
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