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Facebook tried to make its platform a healthier place, but it got angrier

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Re: Facebook tried to make its platform a healthier place, but it got angrier

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Part of the problem is a lot of people enjoy the anger.

For sure, but it is also that outrage is hugely profitable. We need a digital advertising tax on revenue. By making all these internet companies so profitable, we've given them perverse incentives to make it worse.

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This ^^^!!! People are, or can be, total garbage, especially when they're behind a keyboard and not face-to-face.

I can absolutely confirm this, I fell down an unfortunate rabbit hole of posting about politics on Reddit (fairly mainstream politics, but politics nonetheless). There's nothing quite like the dopamine rush of righteous anger, and mixing that with the disinhibition of just being another pseudonym it's quite easy to understand why "enrangement is engagement" is such a powerful and insideous tool to drive people's use…

As I recall, when Facebook was first becoming a thing, a major narrative was that the quality of discourse and level of civility would be so much better than anonymous platforms - after all, they're your friends, of course they're gonna be on their best behavior. Seems that didn't happen, at least partially because Facebook figured out that civility is boring, doesn't get clicks.

Re: Facebook tried to make its platform a healthier place, but it got angrier

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Anecdotally this is what I've been seeing over the years. Most of my friends and acquaintances seem to have left Facebook behind and moved to Insta. The people that stayed on FB are mostly those who like to express strong opinions and engage in pointless discussions.

Sadly, some of my friends now use Insta to propagate the same level of political vitriol as they did on FB. They just leverage text overlays to accomplish their goal.

I see the same on WhatsApp too. Family members blindly forwarding whatever outrage meme of the moment lands in their message queue. Especially for family outside the US who use WhatsApp as their primary way to communicate with groups.

Re: Facebook tried to make its platform a healthier place, but it got angrier

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Facebook was a really unhealthy place for me. In part because of my own insecurities.

I gave it up a year or so ago. Lots of pictures from the last ten years of my life were lost. Which is fine. The last decade has been a huge shitstorm for me.

Facebook did leverage my attention seeking and my unhealthy need to be seen as right and smart.

I don’t miss it. I think their platform does a lot of damage in the world. Yet I’m sure that many people get value from it as well.

Re: Facebook tried to make its platform a healthier place, but it got angrier

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People still use FB marketplace and events. If you can't be reached on events, many times you simply won't be invited.

Some of us see this as a feature and not a bug :)

Some of you are clearly not very social

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Yup, which points out the fundamental problem: Facebook is a product of its incentives. Its incentive is to maximize engagement. Why? Because more engagement equates to more ad revenue. The externalities of this behavior do not align with what society seeks. Therefore, if we wish to fundamentally transform Facebook, then we must change the incentives. The incentives are not going to change on their own. Enough time h…

Couldn't a company outside the US just set up a free Facebook competitor then?

True. There is nothing that would prevent a software company within Sweden, let's say, from opening a free Facebook competitor. Given the reality, such a law as I proposed would be seen as unfair from Facebook's perspective. In many ways, I would say I agree with them. To remedy this, the law could be constructed so that it is only illegal within the confines of the United States. In other words, a paid subscription is mandatory within the United States, while it can be offered for free for anyone outside.

Re: Facebook tried to make its platform a healthier place, but it got angrier

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I always feel like people never discuss the elephant in the room, which is that whoever you are, your feed is dictated by the people and pages you have chosen to follow. It doesn't matter what the platform is. If you give people the flexibility to craft their own feed, and they want to craft a feed full of hate and lies and nonsense, how can we ever stop them?

Meanwhile, my feed has zero politics and is comprised almost entirely of retro video game stuff, plus a few local NYC groups. I kind of love it!

Re: Facebook tried to make its platform a healthier place, but it got angrier

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Anecdotally this is what I've been seeing over the years. Most of my friends and acquaintances seem to have left Facebook behind and moved to Insta. The people that stayed on FB are mostly those who like to express strong opinions and engage in pointless discussions.

Living in a country of 1.5 million people, it often feels devastating how big a part of political/intellectual discussion in our (tiny) language actually takes place in Facebook. I have worked in journalism, so maybe it's sour grapes in a way, but: most of the great writers are there. All the politicians are there. Our prime minister first announces crucial things on her FB wall, etc. In short, if you want to partici…

I feel you can apply the maxim 'in politics nothing happens by accident' to Facebook despite their earnest attempts to claim unintended consequences. They are a highly important component of our divide and rule political era on multiple levels and sadly are doing an excellent job.
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