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Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

#141

Edge is the biggest threat to Chrome and Firefox is still great. uBlock Origin does not even work as well in Chrome as it does in FF which will always create demand for alt browsers. I can't deal with with Chrome but if everything else goes away, Edge is fine. Ms is doing exactly what Google did with webkit, what can you do?

>uBlock Origin does not even work as well in Chrome as it does in FF

AFAIK Firefox is the only mobile browser that supports uBlock Origin.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

#142
I use Firefox since it was Phoenix and I will keep using and recommending it. Chrome was great when it came out, now is Google's trojan horse that everyone is happily embracing. It's one of the clearest Embrace, Extend, Extinguish strategies ever pulled off.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

#143
I have contacted local authorities twice about anti competitive behavior from Chrome.

If two - three other Norwegians do the same that should start to look like an earthquake ;-)

Same if ten - twenty Germans or Brits or French do the same.

I would mention:

1. that some of their web properties (calendar and YouTube) have been intentionally incompatible with Firefox as evidenced by how well they work in Firefox if one changes how the browser identify itself.

2. How they have pushed Chrome as a "better browser" on the front page of Google (were no one else have been allowed to advertise) to Firefox users since way before Chrome was anywere nearly as good as Firefox, making it both a lie and - more importantly - a massive abuse of dominance in one market to gain monopoly in another just like Microsoft did with IE.

As we saw yesterday with AWS authorities are willing to punish rampant abuse if they have a good case and this definitely is one.

Edit: since this comment is getting a lot of attention the relevant authority in Norway is Konkurransetilsynet with web address https://konkurransetilsynet.no

(Finding the exact correct form on that site and for this purpose seems to be an art and/or science it seems but if you can't find any just submit somewhere and explain the situation.)

It would be beautiful if everyone could post underneath with the address to the equivalent office in your jurisdiction.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

#144

Fun fact: Under current conditions (200M users) it looks like Google is paying $2-2.25 per active user annually to be the default search engine in Firefox. "Mozilla renewed its search deal with Google in 2020 for three years. The organization will receive an estimate of $400 to $450 million per year from the deal alone. " https://www.ghacks.net/2020/12/10/mozillas-revenue-jumped-to...

Given how they make a minimum $450M a year in revenue, how on Earth is Mozilla not swimming in cash?! How high can their expenses be?

Mozilla pays millions of dollars per year to their CEO, despite the decrease in usage and user base. Could be a symptom of a larger problem in the organization.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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I may be the odd one but I dropped FF after the drama over brendin eich and his support of prop 8. I just did not feel the same after seeing how he was attacked for his personal contributions. There was just some hateful stuff that came from both sides that really uncovered some toxic personalities in the FF legion.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/22/business/brave-brendan-ei... I don't feel bad for this guy - He says and does things regularly that are hurtful to society with no signs of becoming a better person.

Skepticism is a reasonable default position for most things, as is distrust of powerful political entities, as is an assumption that incentive-caused bias is at play when big pharma is involved.

He may be wrong about all of this, but I don’t think we’ll be able to speak confidently about societal harm until this has all played out and can be viewed with the benefit of hindsight.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

#146

I've been using Firefox daily for over 15 years now. My experience with Firefox over the last 2-3 years in particular leaves me very disappointed and frustrated. The constant nonsense UI redesigns that come about with every new update. The instability, and ridiculous resources consumption. The slowness and slugishness. I want a browser that works, respects my privacy, stays out of my way and lets me get shit done. A…

I also want a browser that when you start it doesn't let you wait for an update. Got too impatient too often with that.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

#147
Not a popular opinion but I’ll say it - Firefox was my daily driver until the CEO made comments about censoring conservatives that went beyond just deplatforming them. I now use ungoogled chromium or Edge.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

#149

I have contacted local authorities twice about anti competitive behavior from Chrome. If two - three other Norwegians do the same that should start to look like an earthquake ;-) Same if ten - twenty Germans or Brits or French do the same. I would mention: 1. that some of their web properties (calendar and YouTube) have been intentionally incompatible with Firefox as evidenced by how well they work in Firefox if one…

> anti competitive behavior

Have some examples? On Desktop, I don't see any, but I would get if you mean Mobile since Chrome is still the default browser there for Android.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

#150

I've been using Firefox daily for over 15 years now. My experience with Firefox over the last 2-3 years in particular leaves me very disappointed and frustrated. The constant nonsense UI redesigns that come about with every new update. The instability, and ridiculous resources consumption. The slowness and slugishness. I want a browser that works, respects my privacy, stays out of my way and lets me get shit done. A…

Are you perhaps not using an adblocker and thereby being trapped into wrongly believing that the slowness induced by ad+tracking Javascripts is the fault of Firefox?

Let me give you another datapoint.

My old uni laptop, an Intel T4400 with 4gb RAM.

Both chrome and Firefox have adblock.

Never ran in to a problem with Chrome, despite the wider internet calling it a memory hog.

Firefox struggled after 4/5 tabs, couldn't even playback video on YouTube or Vimeo reliably..

Don't run into these issues on desktop, and the Android version seems somewhat competent. But I've lost a lot of trust in Mozilla the last few years thanks to middle management.

Atleast with Google I know their motives and I'm not locked in to their platform relying on any particular proprietary thing they have.

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