Firefox lost 50M users since 2019 • Hacker News Board

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Post by eitland » Sat, Jul 31, 2021, 1:04 PM UTC

nsilvestri wrote: post #21

toper-centage wrote: post #15

It's honestly a pity. Firefox is it perfect but the Internet is becoming worse because of chrome. Google is able to fast track any non standard Web tech and the hordes follow. Soon after, that become the standard. I don't want to cheer for a broken browser, but only Safari is able to stop this madness now. Also, Firefox on the Desktop is really good and still let's you do so much more than chrome clones. But it suffe…

Chrome is already the standard. Firefox usually works, but more and more often nowadays I encounter a glitchy or poorly performing page, which I switch to Chrome to use properly. I use Firefox to not be part of the Chrome monopoly, not because it's actually a fundamentally better browser.

> I use Firefox to not be part of the Chrome monopoly, not because it's actually a fundamentally better browser.

For me there is - in addition to not wanting to support Chrome - still a few things that Firefox does better.

As for websites that only support Chrome I consider them broken which means I don't use them or if I have to I try to notify the operator.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Post by natch » Sat, Jul 31, 2021, 1:05 PM UTC

Those annoying Pocket ads maybe?

And how do you quickly disable JavaScript for the page you’re on? I can never find that in Firefox.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Post by guilhas » Sat, Jul 31, 2021, 1:05 PM UTC

Firefox: Lets remove tab groups, no one uses it

Chrome: Lets add tab groups, seems like a good idea

Firefox: why are users leaving?..

The constant addons breakage and UI changes, feature removal. I could bare the speed difference, but these inconsistencies are just too much

Still Firefox continues to be the best browser in theory

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Post by eMGm4D0zgUAVXc7 » Sat, Jul 31, 2021, 1:05 PM UTC

csmpltn wrote: post #126

I've been using Firefox daily for over 15 years now. My experience with Firefox over the last 2-3 years in particular leaves me very disappointed and frustrated. The constant nonsense UI redesigns that come about with every new update. The instability, and ridiculous resources consumption. The slowness and slugishness. I want a browser that works, respects my privacy, stays out of my way and lets me get shit done. A…

Are you perhaps not using an adblocker and thereby being trapped into wrongly believing that the slowness induced by ad+tracking Javascripts is the fault of Firefox?

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Post by eitland » Sat, Jul 31, 2021, 1:07 PM UTC

nightski wrote: post #44

nsilvestri wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chrome is already the standard. Firefox usually works, but more and more often nowadays I encounter a glitchy or poorly performing page, which I switch to Chrome to use properly. I use Firefox to not be part of the Chrome monopoly, not because it's actually a fundamentally better browser.

I have used Firefox for about a decade now and I can't think of a single page that did not work. I'm not saying it's impossible, but incredibly rare. I'd be more inclined to just give up on the site than install Chrome.

The version of Unit 4 installed at work doesn't work in Firefox unless I open developer console first and disable caching requests.

A hassle but well worth it to avoid touching Chrome ;-)

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Post by tiahura » Sat, Jul 31, 2021, 1:09 PM UTC

Look at their CEO and leadership team. Why would you expect anything but failure when a company is run by the HR and D&I departments?

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Post by hoppyhoppy2 » Sat, Jul 31, 2021, 1:10 PM UTC

csmpltn wrote: post #126

I've been using Firefox daily for over 15 years now. My experience with Firefox over the last 2-3 years in particular leaves me very disappointed and frustrated. The constant nonsense UI redesigns that come about with every new update. The instability, and ridiculous resources consumption. The slowness and slugishness. I want a browser that works, respects my privacy, stays out of my way and lets me get shit done. A…

My understanding of the current browser landscape is that you've got Firefox; browsers that build upon Google's browser engine (Chrome/Chromium/Edge/Brave/Vivaldi/Opera/etc); and Safari.

There are a number of good options, but very few that don't further cement Google's control over the world's browser-engine code.

(Yes, I know there are some other very minor players that lag behind on features and standards support. I don't think that's what the parent commenter is looking for.)

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Post by throw_m239339 » Sat, Jul 31, 2021, 1:10 PM UTC

I often hear on this website that "Firefox isn't slow".

Firefox does feel slower than Chromium based browsers. I don't know the technicalities but this is the reason why I moved to Chromium (Opera).

However, I like the fact that Firefox does allow me to mute audio and stop video playback by default, which Chrome does not (Opera does though).

Finally I'm not sure I like the all idpol noise coming from the Mozilla Foundation...

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Post by csmpltn » Sat, Jul 31, 2021, 1:11 PM UTC

eMGm4D0zgUAVXc7 wrote: post #134

csmpltn wrote: post #126

I've been using Firefox daily for over 15 years now. My experience with Firefox over the last 2-3 years in particular leaves me very disappointed and frustrated. The constant nonsense UI redesigns that come about with every new update. The instability, and ridiculous resources consumption. The slowness and slugishness. I want a browser that works, respects my privacy, stays out of my way and lets me get shit done. A…

Are you perhaps not using an adblocker and thereby being trapped into wrongly believing that the slowness induced by ad+tracking Javascripts is the fault of Firefox?

I am using an adblocker.

Re: Firefox lost 50M users since 2019

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Post by throw_m239339 » Sat, Jul 31, 2021, 1:12 PM UTC

kevhsu wrote: post #25

crmrc114 wrote: post #5

I may be the odd one but I dropped FF after the drama over brendin eich and his support of prop 8. I just did not feel the same after seeing how he was attacked for his personal contributions. There was just some hateful stuff that came from both sides that really uncovered some toxic personalities in the FF legion.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/22/business/brave-brendan-ei... I don't feel bad for this guy - He says and does things regularly that are hurtful to society with no signs of becoming a better person.

And what does 'becoming a better person' entails in the US exactly? enlighten us, foreigners who aren't 'informed' about American identity politics..

Eich is a visionary and a talented engineer, that's all I ask of him when it comes to webtechs.

Right now the current "better persons" team at Mozilla is certainly running Firefox into the ground...