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Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by [deleted] »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #83
version_five wrote: post #43

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It's a religion now, and an important part of testing your adherence is going to be seeing whether you're willing to wear a mask all day at work, tell others how important it is, and cluck and shake your head at the unenlightened (anti-maskers) that disagree with you. I understand this will be perceived as a troll post, but this as absolutely the setup I am seeing.

I wish people would not flag comments like this. I don't agree with the commenter at all , but killing their comment doesn't help us have a conversation about their concerns. It's critical that we resolve these conflicts and not do what we (as a society) have been doing for years, where we treat people like an "other" and shun them because we don't want to deal with them.

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Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by alpaca128 »

whymauri wrote: post #62
swader999 wrote: post #29

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So can vaccinated people.

lol you're totally right, let's just never trust any vaccine or medical developments due to anomalous chance of failure. in accordance to this, i pledge to never leave my home until i leave this barren earth.

The vaccine does not completely prevent you from getting infected or from being able to infect others. It drastically reduces the chance, especially of the more dangerous symptoms affecting the lungs, but it doesn't grant complete immunity.

Besides, measures like masks also affect many other diseases; this recent winter they were effective enough to reduce influenza-related deaths by over 95% compared to the year before.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by swiley »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #125
swiley wrote: post #114

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I guess I should be happy that I work at a company with people in the EU. If you get up early and stop replying to emails after 15:00-16:00 (when there isn't something scheduled going on) no one gets surprised.

I work in EU too, but a lot of coders around here start at 10:00+.. especially in smaller companies.

I guess I wasn't clear, I work on the east coast of the US but having EU employees means people are used to some of their coworkers not being available all the time.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by bredren »

ModernMech wrote: post #123
BrissyCoder wrote: post #110

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I don't understand how so many people in this thread are saying they spend more on food while working from home. How is this possible? Does it vary by country? In Australia at least it is orders of magnitude less expensive to prepare food at home purchased from a supermarket than it is to buy food whilst out an about. Or are these people working for companies that provide food or something. I just don't get it.

> Or are these people working for companies that provide food or something. It's this. Companies started offering food to keep their employees in the office longer. That people here are saying they prefer eating at work due to the cost shows it worked.

It isn't just that they prefer eating at work due to cost. Work provides prepared food.

Preparing food means getting ingredients, tracking expiration and making and storing leftover food.

In some ways this is wonderful, in others it is a huge time and energy sink compared to eating at work.

Spoiled food wastes more than money and it happens easily.

You can buy prepared food for home via takeout or frozen but those have their own problems.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by desine »

midev wrote: post #118
desine wrote: post #66

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It’s been a religion from day 1. PCR tests being run at too high of a cycle count was a conspiracy theory until it wasn’t. Hospitals being incentivized to mark any possible patients as COVID cases for extra government money was a conspiracy theory until it wasn’t. Mandatory vaccination with a drug that hasn’t even gotten FDA approval was a theory and yet I see people call for it. People I had had great chats with abo…

> I was one of the most scientifically literate people in my friend group and now I’m an outcast because I don’t always “trust the science”. Unless you're an expert in a field, you are not scientifically literate in that field. Being able to read a couple conclusions isn't scientific literacy. It's the same slapdash stuff that conspiracy theorists do. Find a couple publicized studies. Read the conclusions. Repeat as…

>Unless you're an expert in a field, you are not scientifically literate in that field.

Really? There's nothing in between expert level and being able to judge if data was shoehorned or was a natural fit? Only an expert in a specific field can determine if logical flaws exist? If there's possibly hidden variables impacting readings, or incomplete models?

Has the scientific world become that black and white? You're either an expert or your opinion is not worthy of discussion?

I'm glad that of the many things I want to rant about, one I chose was the PCR cycles. Because the creator of that technology, Kary Mulis, specifically warned about it's misuse in that manner. Now for anyone just wandering into this mess going to search him for the first time - be warned, he did hold a very controversial opinion about another disease. But I don't think anyone could appeal to a higher authority on PCR testing at its core.

>Even in your comment, the majority of your points are political, because I suspect you're not actually scientifically literate.

Thank you

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

hwbehrens wrote: post #80
coldtea wrote: post #68

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> I save money by spending less on food, drinks, and electricity. Compared to commuting (car+gas) and time-to-commute opportunity costs (to use for personal house tasks, side projects, self health)? I seriously doubt it.

I'm obviously an outlier, but I live an 8 minute (peaceful) bike ride from work. I hate commuting, so I optimized for that for this job, and working from home last year was absolutely a net negative for me. Distracting kids, poor work-life balance, more expensive (AC, food, water, etc). I think the lesson here is, some companies can be remote-first, some companies can be in-person, and different employees will prefer…

I don’t think you’re an outlier. I think online comment sections in general attract people whose preferred communication and socialization style is digital. That’s why at times HN comment sections feel like everyone unanimously agrees that in-person work universally bad.

It’s great that we have more remote work opportunity post COVID, but it was never realistic to expect every company or even most company to abandon in-office work and all of the benefits that come with it. Maintaining a remote team is significantly more management and communication overhead than simply having people in one place.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by bsder »

Nbox9 wrote: post #51

I work for another company that is going to do a partial return to office. I will be looking at options for companies that offer full in person office (or 90% in person office) after things settle down. I have worked full remote for a total of 5 years of my career, and I believe working in the office is a competitive advantage. * Overhearing hallway conversations (and joining them) helps spawn invocation. * I often d…

Mentoring junior folks is a really big one that really needs in-person attention. It disappoints me that everybody is ignoring this.

Sure, work-from-home is nice for senior folks like me who have lots of influence and have nurtured their career over several decades. We can allocate resources and people listen to us by virtue of position.

For junior folks, work from home is terrible for their career. Nothing substitutes for standing in front of a whiteboard and talking things out. You need social contacts to spread out in order to be safe when your company goes to shit. And, you probably share a house with multiple other folks and don't have much budget to buy things.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by tkojames »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #101
Nbox9 wrote: post #51

I work for another company that is going to do a partial return to office. I will be looking at options for companies that offer full in person office (or 90% in person office) after things settle down. I have worked full remote for a total of 5 years of my career, and I believe working in the office is a competitive advantage. * Overhearing hallway conversations (and joining them) helps spawn invocation. * I often d…

My enjoyment of remote work has varied heavily based on the company culture, the type of work, and even my own evolving life circumstances. Having gone back and forth between in-office and WFH and between IC and manager in both circumstances, I have no doubts that in-office work is more productive than WFH. The only exceptions are when the office environment is truly terrible. WFH is more productive than being in an…

Very valid points. I went full remote 3 years ago and I really like it so far. Before had 25 min commute no traffic. I actually sometimes miss the time to just think by yourself. I took the wfh job because of the money and experience not for WFH. I think the key thing has been the entire company is remote all over the world. I think the hybrid model is just not going to work well. Either go all out WFH or not.

Re: Apple asks staff to return to office 3 days a week starting in early September

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Post by pseudalopex »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #83
version_five wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a religion now, and an important part of testing your adherence is going to be seeing whether you're willing to wear a mask all day at work, tell others how important it is, and cluck and shake your head at the unenlightened (anti-maskers) that disagree with you. I understand this will be perceived as a troll post, but this as absolutely the setup I am seeing.

I wish people would not flag comments like this. I don't agree with the commenter at all , but killing their comment doesn't help us have a conversation about their concerns. It's critical that we resolve these conflicts and not do what we (as a society) have been doing for years, where we treat people like an "other" and shun them because we don't want to deal with them.

They wouldn't call it religion if they wanted a conversation.
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