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Behind the design of the fresh new Firefox coming June 1

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Re: Behind the design of the fresh new Firefox coming June 1

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Yeah, this is basically the problem. Similarly, IMO, using GNOME 3 adapted for phones via Phosh feels far more natural than using GNOME 3 on desktop. It really should be an indictment of the insistence that it's possible to make one single design that works well on all form factors, or even just two form factors as disparate as a tablet and a desktop PC. If it's possible, the "state of the art" isn't really selling i…

I don’t know, GNOME 3 on laptops with proper gestures is a joy to use. Also, afaik Phosh is fully rewritten and hardly has anything in common with gnome, even the common apps are inferior to use on mobile.

Basically I disagree. On phone the titlebars actually make sense. Even on a laptop with a touchscreen, which is probably the most ideal desktop-like platform, I still find GNOME 3 annoying.

Re: Behind the design of the fresh new Firefox coming June 1

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I was an old school die-hard Firefox user back in the day, have since switched to chrome... I want Mozilla to succeed and fight the browser monoculture.

I'm just not really sure what the "killer feature" to bring users back is? Chrome has kept their core UI relatively stable since forever. Meanwhile we are onto another big Firefox redesign where we make the tabs look different? Why follow UI trends (big spacing) that your core userbase dislikes? I could understand it if Firefox was a different kind of product, with a different set of users.

I don't really know what Mozilla should be doing here, but I don't think these annoying UI tweaks are it.

Re: Behind the design of the fresh new Firefox coming June 1

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Anyone else see the heat map of the Back button being one of the most-used elements, and far more used than the Forward-button, and flash back to much, much earlier FF designs where the back button was, in fact, larger than the forward button and more prominent than most other UI elements? Just Googled, actually, and it looks like 3.0 did that. 2008. Sigh. Also, as a dedicated UI-depth proponent, I find myself in the…

The back button is still larger than the other buttons right now. Not anymore in the new UI, though.

Re: Behind the design of the fresh new Firefox coming June 1

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I don't understand the hate or why this seems to take so much headspace in so many (or at least here very vocal) minds. It's a single button, not flashy or animated or otherwise annoying. When the rest of the world spies on you or pushes crypto tokens and abuses websites by replacing their ads with own advertisements, that is what bothers you most and makes you consciously choose an outdated version?

Aside from being unwanted, it also is symbolic of much of Mozilla's worst behavior. During launch, it was specifically described as not being a paid placement: "There's no monetary benefit to Mozilla from the integration: Pocket didn't pay for placement in the browser"[1]. This way key to the discussion about why they chose Pocket over any other reading list plugins -- but this turned out to be a lie: "Hum. Apparentl…

Ok so is your issue that Mozilla makes revenue (which I think is GREAT as that gets them off the google dependency) or that it ignores previously set preferences?

In the latter case 100% agree and Mozilla is shooting itself in the foot as users that actively turned it off probably simply don't want it and will be a tiny minority. But do we know yet whether this happens again with this update?

Re: Behind the design of the fresh new Firefox coming June 1

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Wth happens under every Firefox post? It almost seems like a bunch of paid accounts writing incoherent bullshit. If there would not be the same whiny reaction to a few linux technologies (dare someone mention systemd, pulseaudio, wayland), I would definitely believe so.

Re: Behind the design of the fresh new Firefox coming June 1

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post #92

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Aside from being unwanted, it also is symbolic of much of Mozilla's worst behavior. During launch, it was specifically described as not being a paid placement: "There's no monetary benefit to Mozilla from the integration: Pocket didn't pay for placement in the browser"[1]. This way key to the discussion about why they chose Pocket over any other reading list plugins -- but this turned out to be a lie: "Hum. Apparentl…

Ok so is your issue that Mozilla makes revenue (which I think is GREAT as that gets them off the google dependency) or that it ignores previously set preferences? In the latter case 100% agree and Mozilla is shooting itself in the foot as users that actively turned it off probably simply don't want it and will be a tiny minority. But do we know yet whether this happens again with this update?

Revenue is good. Sacrificing privacy for revenue is debatable. Misleading people about sacrificing privacy for revenue is dishonest.

Re: Behind the design of the fresh new Firefox coming June 1

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No? Like there is enough surface area to work on multiple unrelated parts of Firefox at the same time. Also, Rust team is most definitely not killed, Servo is, which frankly, made perfect sense. Developing one browser engine is hard enough as is, let alone two.

You contradict yourself. If there's enough surface area, then there's enough for alternative and better engines. Rust & Wasmtime: https://mobile.twitter.com/tschneidereit/status/129386814195... Dev Tools & All of MDN: https://mobile.twitter.com/SteveALee/status/1293487542382333...

There is an increasing amount of Rust being incorporated into Firefox, it is just not Servo.

And while it is possible to develop two browser engines at the same time (though it is not surface area, it is a different module competing for the same spot, so no, I’m not contradicting myself), it is still a dumb decision to split the already few people with the necessary technical knowhow around such an advanced domain. Otherwise you would see thousands of browsers out there, yet all we have (ones that implement a reasonable amount of the web standards) is chrome+edge, safari and firefox.

Re: Behind the design of the fresh new Firefox coming June 1

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Firefox doesn't need another UI refresh. It needs performance enhancements and bug fixes. I've been using Firefox as my primary browser for years, and I'm tired of feeling like I'm using second class software.

Yes, they also need to tackle power efficiency, otherwise laptop users will be forced to use either Edge or Safari. At the moment, as I understand it, it pretty much runs all open tabs at full throttle.

This extension helps immensely: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/auto-tab-discard/

Re: Behind the design of the fresh new Firefox coming June 1

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I don’t know, GNOME 3 on laptops with proper gestures is a joy to use. Also, afaik Phosh is fully rewritten and hardly has anything in common with gnome, even the common apps are inferior to use on mobile.

Does GNOME have gestures? I've been using it since 2009 and never noticed. I googled and found this https://github.com/JoseExposito/gnome-shell-extension-x11ges... plus a tentative design document from 2015.

You need wayland GNOME (actually not wayland per se, but libinput that can properly process gestures, which can be hacked into XOrg, but I haven’t tried that), and there were a few gestures during GNOME 3, but it got revamped into a really productive environment with GNOME 40.

Not the best video, but that’s what I found: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku5YRMN8Uzo

What I like best is the 3 finger swipe up, for the same view as you would get with the Super key, and the 3 finger left right swipe for changing between desktops (this latter may not be showcased in the video I linked)

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