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Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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This attitude of yours is why you were on the wrong side of a very important news story during an election year.

Sorry I don't have the time to sift through tons of trash to find one truth nugget.

You just described all of modern news and social media. If you're not already sifting then you're the mark.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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I don't think that's correct. https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/in-defense-of-mathema... "For those readers who are unfamiliar with it, the Imperial College model is the one that projected that 2.2 million Americans (and 510,000 residents of the UK) could die from COVID-19 over the next two years without public health interventions." https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01003-6 "When updated data in the Im…

You should read the reports, and not news articles about the reports. These news articles are referring to the very first report, which made projections for the UK through October 2020. Here's the March 26, 2020 report, covering the rest of the world, with far more specific predictions: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/m... In this report, they predict 2.2 million deaths in the US in the unm…

Edit: I copied the wrong number for current deaths for France. Should be 104k, not 3M.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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> the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020 Actually, it was covered in May of 2020 in the Daily Wire. https://www.dailywire.com/news/ny-health-dept-admits-to-unde...

One reason I see is that people, especially those from mainstream media, will just shrug Daily Wire off as "right-wing". "Right-wing" is such a wonderful stigmata. Quote the words, and gone is pursuit of truth.

Truth is treason in the empire of lies.

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Who did it right? Ron DeSantis did. He did the focused protection.

Yes, Florida focused their resources on protecting their elderly population and didn't implement broad lockdowns of people who weren't sick or at-risk. Their per-capita results are better than NY, CA and many other states. Sweden also deserves credit for getting the public health policy right. They had the right plan but have admitted they could have done better in some of the early execution phase around protecting…

Tried and true method we learned over time. The leaders that were strong enough to respond properly should be congratulated. This was a gigantic shot to the foot by our public health leadership, most state and federal leaders, and fawning media. And it's not even close to over.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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They gave him a fucking Emmy in November: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/1... And he published a fucking book in October: https://www.amazon.com/American-Crisis-Leadership-COVID-19-P... Broken doesn't even begin to describe it....

I don't see anyone talking about taking that emmy back. Or canceling him. He has like 7 credible assault victims accusing him. And the "media" protects him. Riddle me that. His ass should have been out on the sidewalk a long time ago. The "media" is complicit.

Reminds me of the collective shrug when Trudeau got caught in blackface multiple times. Good thing these guys didn’t do anything truly heinous like cracking their knuckles at work or or advocating for nonviolent protest or throwing their daughter a respectful geisha themed party. There seems to be a pattern in who gets targeted and it doesn’t seem to correlate with the severity of the offense.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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I don't see anyone talking about taking that emmy back. Or canceling him. He has like 7 credible assault victims accusing him. And the "media" protects him. Riddle me that. His ass should have been out on the sidewalk a long time ago. The "media" is complicit.

> I don't see anyone talking about taking that emmy back. Or canceling him. Weirdly enough I didn't know he was given an Emmy but I have seen wall to wall coverage of the accusations against him and calls for him to resign from dozens of democrat leaders including the Senate Majority Leader. SNL (pretty much centrist-liberal) has been trashing him on both fronts -- calling out the nursing home deaths on weekend updat…

I’ve noticed this really recently as well, but my conservative friends were pointing this out in 2020 back when he was on air with his brother.

Better late than never and all that, but I don’t see anything noble about waiting to speak out until it becomes politically untenable to wait any longer.

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> Did you hear about this last year? From who? Did you find it credible? Why or why not? Your questions above propose the idea of bias in the information delivery and reception, which inherently maps to political partisanship. What other sort of bias could your questions possibly evoke? Cuomo was exposed and has been condemned largely by officials within his own party, and also broadly by the media, whether left, rig…

I think what OP is getting at is that it's suspicious that this became a "mainstream" news story this year when it was known last year.

Agreed. I’m a liberal and a democrat but the Dems and the media are not brave whistleblowers for suppressing the truth until the very last politically tenable moment.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Introspection. I'm asking each individual to evaluate their own information intake valve. There are objective sources, the question is how and when we accept or dismiss them.

Right back atcha -- because while there are plenty of covid screwups to go around, someone who thinks this one got suppressed probably has an information diet that disproportionately focused attention on this screw up in order to shift attention away from their own screw up, which was orders of magnitude larger.

What’s the implication here? Anyone with a pulse on moderate or conservative media must be a rabid Trump supporter? What do we gain from this kind of dichotomous thinking?

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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I remember reading quite a bit about Cuomo's mistakes last summer in liberal media, but apparently it didn't change the dominant narrative. Here's one article: Democrats gave a hero’s welcome to New York Governor Andrew Cuomo despite his mistake-filled early response to the coronavirus pandemic. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/08/cuomo-n...

Cuomo for all his faults took ownership of the crisis situation. That’s what leaders are supposed to do, and that is what the public craves. Unfortunately, POTUS just wasn’t capable of filling that function for a variety of reasons. I think most of those mistakes were understood as the state government was caught unaware and so little was known. We’ve seen similar tragedy in different states and countries — managing…

'Hitler for all his faults took ownership of the crisis situation.

That's what leaders are supposed to do, and that is what the public craves. Unfortunately, Hindenburg just wasn't capable of filling that function for a variety of reasons.'

Means do not justify ends.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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FTA: > The effort by Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo’s office to obscure the pandemic death toll in New York nursing homes was far greater than previously known, with aides repeatedly overruling state health officials over a span of at least five months, according to interviews and newly unearthed documents. Sounds like this one got suppressed according to the article. > someone who thinks this one got suppressed probably has a…

> Sounds like this one got suppressed With regard to obscuring the death toll, I agree, and Cuomo needs to be dealt with. With regard to prioritizing this story against it's competitor, however, I think my information diet got the mix about right, which is to say in proportion to impact. > This is whataboutism. If we were just talking about Cuomo, sure -- but you brought up information diets and suppression, which ab…

Most of the media was actively praising Cuomo at a time when roughly half of US casualties were in NY. I can’t speak to your media diet in particular, but it’s not like CNN had their Cuomo criticism on page 2 and their Trump criticism on the front page—their Trump criticism and Cuomo praise were both on the metaphorical front page.
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