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Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by willcipriano »

hintymad wrote: post #124
hpcjoe wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The media landscape is beyond broken in this country. It has been for a while. Most of the major "news" media organizations are anything but news. That people actually believe what they hear, and then act upon this ... often ... misinformation ... is horrifying. That they have ardent supporters who insist that X really is news while Y is not ... well ... no. If you want news in the US about the US, listen to BBC Am…

What's horrifying is that staff in these media advocate for more censorship in the name of battling misinformation. I thought journalist should viciously defend the right of speech, but oh well.

I am certain that end of the human race will be preceded by these words: "Trust me, this time will be different"

We are simply unable to learn from even the recent past. Every generation has to personally try every bad idea to figure out why its a bad idea.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

danans wrote: post #120
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody cared what the body count was until the body count turned into a house seat. The really sick thing as that this sudden influx of give-a-shits is sending the message that "the party will back you if you kill people so long as you don't lose a house seat in the process" which is not a great message to be sending.

> Nobody cared what the body count was until the body count turned into a house seat. How did the body count turn into a house seat exactly? There are dozens of ways that New York's population count could have gone 89 in either direction and changed the house seat allocation. At those small margins, it's basically a coin toss.

True, but had a large fraction of those needless deaths not happened that would have easily given them the boost they needed to keep the seat.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by tehwebguy »

hpcjoe wrote: post #100
nyczomg wrote: post #37

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They gave him a fucking Emmy in November: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/1... And he published a fucking book in October: https://www.amazon.com/American-Crisis-Leadership-COVID-19-P... Broken doesn't even begin to describe it....

I don't see anyone talking about taking that emmy back. Or canceling him. He has like 7 credible assault victims accusing him. And the "media" protects him. Riddle me that. His ass should have been out on the sidewalk a long time ago. The "media" is complicit.

> I don't see anyone talking about taking that emmy back. Or canceling him.

Weirdly enough I didn't know he was given an Emmy but I have seen wall to wall coverage of the accusations against him and calls for him to resign from dozens of democrat leaders including the Senate Majority Leader.

SNL (pretty much centrist-liberal) has been trashing him on both fronts -- calling out the nursing home deaths on weekend update and even a very long cold open raking him over the coals for the abuse stuff.

Seth Meyers (easily the farthest left network host) has been dragging him hard on both fronts on Late Night as well.

The only opinions I've seen expressed by people in my social media sphere for months are that he's an absolute dirtbag - the man is canceled. I think the real point you are approaching is that most of the time "canceling" someone doesn't really do much.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by skybrian »

Spooky23 wrote: post #128
skybrian wrote: post #103

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I remember reading quite a bit about Cuomo's mistakes last summer in liberal media, but apparently it didn't change the dominant narrative. Here's one article: Democrats gave a hero’s welcome to New York Governor Andrew Cuomo despite his mistake-filled early response to the coronavirus pandemic. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/08/cuomo-n...

Cuomo for all his faults took ownership of the crisis situation. That’s what leaders are supposed to do, and that is what the public craves. Unfortunately, POTUS just wasn’t capable of filling that function for a variety of reasons. I think most of those mistakes were understood as the state government was caught unaware and so little was known. We’ve seen similar tragedy in different states and countries — managing…

I can't find it now, but I specifically remember reading an article early in the pandemic making the argument that the political leaders should step back and let public health officials take the spotlight, and pointing to Cuomo as someone who's doing a bad job of this.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by timr »

WalterGR wrote: post #127
timr wrote: post #106

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The Imperial College report included projections if all recommended NPIs were implemented . That includes lockdowns, masks, social distancing, and so on. Those projections were still wildly off the mark. There is no way to look at their projections and take them seriously as modelers. They were simply wrong. They made bad parameter assumptions, didn't question their results or cross-validate, and ran with the scaries…

I don't think that's correct. https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/in-defense-of-mathema... "For those readers who are unfamiliar with it, the Imperial College model is the one that projected that 2.2 million Americans (and 510,000 residents of the UK) could die from COVID-19 over the next two years without public health interventions." https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01003-6 "When updated data in the Im…

You should read the reports, and not news articles about the reports. These news articles are referring to the very first report, which made projections for the UK through October 2020.

Here's the March 26, 2020 report, covering the rest of the world, with far more specific predictions:

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/m...

In this report, they predict 2.2 million deaths in the US in the unmitigated scenario, and over 1 million in the "social distancing" scenario. Their projection if the US "suppressed" the virus (by uniformly cutting contacts by 75% as soon as the death rate exceeded 1.6 per 100k; by my math, that's about 5,000 deaths) was 474,000 dead.

So, uh...that was wrong.

They projected 40 million deaths, worldwide (current actual total 3.14M) in the unmitigated scenario, with between 1.9M and 10.5M deaths in the "total suppression" scenario (depending on how soon lockdowns occurred).

If you go to the spreadsheet [1], you'll see lots of other fun projections:

* 470,000-670,000 deaths in Japan in the "social distancing" scenarios (current total: 10,031, despite living mostly normally throughout 2020).

* 330k-740k deaths in the "social distancing" scenarios for France (620k-760k "unmitigated"; current total: just over 3M, despite a year of strict interventions).

* Let's not forget their projection of 60,000-90,000 deaths in Sweden, in the "unmitigated" scenario (current total: 13,968).

Overall, their predictions bear very little resemblance to reality.

[1] https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/s...

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Post by refurb »

comodore_ wrote: post #32

the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested. They still weren't interested in October when the DOJ sent an inquiry about nursing homes or in January when the NY AG issued a report finding New York under counted deaths of nursing home and long-term care facility residents. Meanwhile, CNN put him on the air, to be heralded as a great and inspiring…

The more you dig into it the worse it becomes. There is clearly a “great filter” going on with mainstream media - they decide what is worth reporting on, everything else might as well not have happened. With examples like this one are we surprised people turn to FB for their news and latch onto conspiracy theories?

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Post by zwily »

qqqwerty wrote: post #80
Fellshard wrote: post #8

At this point, do a little introspection. Did you hear about this last year? From who? Did you find it credible? Why or why not? Is there any way you can grow in your consumption of information based on your findings?

Same question can be asked about the undercounts in Florida? [1] https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/03/florida-covid-19-dea...

Not so sure about that...

https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1387096352845225984...

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Post by RickJWagner »

comodore_ wrote: post #32

the first reports on this already appeared in august 2020, but somehow all mainstream outlets weren't too interested. They still weren't interested in October when the DOJ sent an inquiry about nursing homes or in January when the NY AG issued a report finding New York under counted deaths of nursing home and long-term care facility residents. Meanwhile, CNN put him on the air, to be heralded as a great and inspiring…

You forgot to mention the droves of women who have come forward to accuse him of sexual harassment.

Yet he may well stay in office. It's a one-party state, if his allies in the party hold the line it'll all blow over.

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Post by belltaco »

chitowneats wrote: post #85
belltaco wrote: post #84

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Right wing media has been saying the Covid is just a flu and there was nothing to worry about, and in fact it's the best time to take a flight. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAh4uS4f78o One has to be crazy to believe anything from the right wing media after things like that which are just a tip of the iceberg of lies they regularly spread. They did it to themselves.

This attitude of yours is why you were on the wrong side of a very important news story during an election year.

Sorry I don't have the time to sift through tons of trash to find one truth nugget.

Re: Cuomo Aides Spent Months Hiding Nursing Home Death Toll

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Post by danans »

throwaway0a5e wrote: post #132
danans wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nobody cared what the body count was until the body count turned into a house seat. How did the body count turn into a house seat exactly? There are dozens of ways that New York's population count could have gone 89 in either direction and changed the house seat allocation. At those small margins, it's basically a coin toss.

True, but had a large fraction of those needless deaths not happened that would have easily given them the boost they needed to keep the seat.

The nursing home deaths are no more or less related to the house seat than any other small scale demographic event that happened last year.

The deaths are arguably far less consequential than the effect of people leaving the state to move away from the early impact of the pandemic and into remote work scenarios.

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