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Subsidiary of Toyota to acquire Lyft’s self-driving car division

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Re: Subsidiary of Toyota to acquire Lyft’s self-driving car division

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I learned to drive in Mexico at 13, where there are almost literally no rules or traffic signals (see the black arrow on the wall? that means don't stop). I remember thinking about how different things were when trying to get my driver's license in US at age 16 - almost easier - in spite of how many more rules there were. I wonder how self-driving cars perform when trained in a world of rules and order and are then t…

>where there are almost literally no rules or traffic signals ... That's a lie, though. The meme that México is an uncivilized place is dumb and doesn't hold much substance. Edit: Downvote me all you want, GP's statement is laughably easy to disprove. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

OP was being a bit hyperbolic, but driving in Mexico (and most of Latin America) is much different than in the US. I lived and overlanded with motorcycles in Mexico, Guatemala, Colombia, and Chile for the last 12 years and could talk for hours about how the mentality of driving in the US doesn't translate to Latin America.

Blinkers can mean something different at different times, depending on context, while traffic lights and signs are treated as a suggestion. Speed limits and their enforcement are non-existent (outside of expensive toll road), and lane lines aren't something that have meaning. Pedestrian traffic (or hell, animal and farm traffic) is unexpected and unexplainable, as are public transportation options (imagine giant school buses flying through roads, playing leapfrog to get in front of one another to be able to pick up the next people waiting for a ride).

The consequence of these differences for self driving cars will be a very, very difficult problem to solve unless the majority of the vehicles are self driving, which is not a solution that will happen anytime soon in Latin America.

Re: Subsidiary of Toyota to acquire Lyft’s self-driving car division

#142
post #8

Funny in hindsight from 2016: "Lyft's president says 'majority' of rides will be in self-driving cars by 2021" https://www.theverge.com/2016/9/18/12944506/lyft-self-drivin... https://medium.com/@johnzimmer/the-third-transportation-revo...

nothing new here, AI has been "5 years away" since the 1950s

AI currently does lots of useful things in all sorts of industries. It just can't do everything that humans can do.

Re: Subsidiary of Toyota to acquire Lyft’s self-driving car division

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post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This feels like bad faith. Musk has been making these claims every year since 2016. His coverage of these claims on HN is regular and thorough. I went ahead and Googled one for you from 2020: Tesla will be able to make its vehicles completely autonomous by the end of this year, founder Elon Musk has said. It was already "very close" to achieving the basic requirements of this "level-five" autonomy, which requires no…

Do you mean this comment? I remain confident that we will have the basic functionality for level five autonomy complete this year. Basic functionality for level five isn't level five.

I mean, off the top of my head he claimed 1 million robotaxis on the road in 2020, and that the car would be able to drive LA to New York by itself, charging and all, in 2018.

Who are you trying to fool?

Re: Subsidiary of Toyota to acquire Lyft’s self-driving car division

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Anyone hawking FSD is a stock promoter (liar). Uber/Tesla/Lyft. Elon Musk claims Tesla FSD will be L5 by end of 2021, but they recently filed a document with the CA DMV stating Tesla FSD is L2 automated. Which one do you think is more realistic, staying L2 by EOY 2021, or magically leaping forward to L5 FSD in 8 months? The only company working on self-driving that I believe when they issue press releases is Waymo, b…

I don't think Tesla will have L5 in 2021, but the FSD videos on youtube are pretty impressive no ?

They are impressive for what they are, yes, because it's a hard problem.

But it's non stop interventions...

Re: Subsidiary of Toyota to acquire Lyft’s self-driving car division

#146
post #8

Funny in hindsight from 2016: "Lyft's president says 'majority' of rides will be in self-driving cars by 2021" https://www.theverge.com/2016/9/18/12944506/lyft-self-drivin... https://medium.com/@johnzimmer/the-third-transportation-revo...

nothing new here, AI has been "5 years away" since the 1950s

The world is already largely running on AI, just not the version of it that is in people's heads by watching sci-fi movies.

Re: Subsidiary of Toyota to acquire Lyft’s self-driving car division

#147
post #107

I keep getting downvoted. I’ll keep saying it, we need government investment into self driving. It cannot be done by private sector alone.

It's bad enough private investors are wasting so much capital on self-driving. The last thing we need is the government doing the same.

Re: Subsidiary of Toyota to acquire Lyft’s self-driving car division

#148

Funny in hindsight from 2016: "Lyft's president says 'majority' of rides will be in self-driving cars by 2021" https://www.theverge.com/2016/9/18/12944506/lyft-self-drivin... https://medium.com/@johnzimmer/the-third-transportation-revo...

I saw Levandowski do a presentation of self-driving at an Uber all-hands and it was then and there that I knew that self-driving is 20+ years away. The example video showed so many small things that we take for granted as a human driver that would need to be built in or hand coded that AI or neural nets would never be able to get. There just isn’t a way that you can train every single little thing that could cause an…

Can you share examples of these things? Isn't training data considered "experience"?

Re: Subsidiary of Toyota to acquire Lyft’s self-driving car division

#149
post #107

I keep getting downvoted. I’ll keep saying it, we need government investment into self driving. It cannot be done by private sector alone.

In what way would government investment help here? The main players already have tons of funding. Also, why should self-driving be a government priority?

The main players have a lot of funding, but that isn’t the only function of government. Standards and infrastructure will be required for self driving to work. LIDAR, optics… it’s becoming more and more apparent that the current approach (Waymo ceo stepping down) (Tesla’s promises FSD) that its just not as simple as money. Governments job is to save lives, NHSTA has done hundreds of studies on the efficacy of self driving. They don’t need to be encouraged… they already know if it’s importance to safety.

Re: Subsidiary of Toyota to acquire Lyft’s self-driving car division

#150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A human being can drive a million miles without a serious accident. 2018 saw 1.1 deaths per 100 million vehicle miles driven[1]. Human beings are extremely good at driving safely overall. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...

Yet driving deaths are the leading cause of death in older children and young adults. It's not that we're bad at driving, I suppose, it's that we do an awful lot of it and it's quite a risky activity - especially if you're not 100% engaged. That being said, if the US cared about road safety, there's quite a lot they could do to improve it already. Many techniques have been used successfully in other countries to sign…

> Yet driving deaths are the leading cause of death in older children and young adults.

All vehicle-related deaths in the US average around 32,000 annually, of which about 50% of those are alcohol and/or drug related, leaving the true accidental vehicular death number around 15,000 annually.

The problem we're trying to solve with FSD just doesn't exist at the levels FSD proponents would have you believe. Humans are incredibly safe drivers when you account for the number of people driving, and the number of miles driven per year.

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