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Post by olah_1 »

gareim wrote: post #93
olah_1 wrote: post #59

This makes me appreciate kill switches more on the librem five phone. And it also makes sense why Apple doesn’t want you to be able to fully disable wifi on your phone.

> And it also makes sense why Apple doesn’t want you to be able to fully disable wifi on your phone. If you're referring to the lack of a hardware kill switch, that's true for 99.9% of Androids too. If you're referring to the temporary WiFi off toggle in the Control Center, the reasoning is that most people don't remember they turned off WiFi (my parents for example) and won't remember to turn it back on. But you abs…

Maybe that’s new in iOS14. I remember last year seeing a Shortcut for turning off wifi completely. But even then I thought it turned itself back on randomly.

Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

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Post by itsnot2020 »

jononor wrote: post #51
zekica wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not true: It is true that your phone listens to control channel on currently selected base station. It is also true that your phone scans other channels relatively frequently to see if a better signal is available, but unless the phone decides (based on data received from the network) to switch to another base station, it will only talk to the network about once or twice per hour. The network can ping the pho…

Can one track/log how often a phone gets pinged?

There are a few CCC talks of interest around this:

https://media.ccc.de/v/ARMP3D https://media.ccc.de/v/rc3-11406-spot_the_surveillance

Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

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Post by wombatpm »

caseysoftware wrote: post #87
stonecraftwolf wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just because you failed at crime doesn’t mean you didn’t commit a crime. Attempted murder is still a thing. And I think you should probably read more about what actually happened. The initial photos were of idiots in horns and face paint and that has colored the public perception of what happened, but the clownshow gave cover to a smaller number of organized militia types compromised of former and active duty militar…

> a smaller number of organized militia types compromised of former and active duty military and law enforcement I haven't seen anything about this. Can you share a link - especially pictures or video? I'd love to learn more. Thanks.

Start by looking for ‘oath keepers capitol’ there have been stories on CNN and Washington Post since charges were filed on the 19th

Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

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Post by vehemenz »

trident5000 wrote: post #83
sneak wrote: post #2

Presumably this also includes journalists and other people the government has no business tracking. At what point will people say enough is enough to these kinds of insane overreaches?

The same people complaining about the Patriot Act and cheering on Snowden for publicizing NSA PRISM are the same people cheering on govt mass triangulating civilians.

Yes. It is possible to believe in law enforcement and the curbing of privacy-invading legislation at the same time.

Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

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Post by belltaco »

VoodooJuJu wrote: post #100
Thorrez wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree with your overall point. But you're not making a very fair comparison. The guy holding the podium was not the worst part of the attack on the capitol.

What was the worst part of the event at the capitol? What do you think would make a fair comparison?

Just a couple

https://v.redd.it/ybbshl1ujia61

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJOgGsC0G9U

Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

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Post by pdoege »

schoolornot wrote: post #85
DebtDeflation wrote: post #8

>"And they can actually pinpoint on Google Maps exactly where you were standing. Like, he knew where I was standing on the sidewalk, like specifically, based on my cell phone ping." You don't get that level of granularity by merely triangulating cell tower pings. Sounds like they got GPS location data from people's Google accounts.

AT&T is still installing Carrier IQ on almost all Androids. That application is collecting info like GPS and barometric readings to estimate floor location in a highrise, etc.

Absolutely. In addition all carriers use multi-lateration and sectorization to fine tune location. The better the location the more valuable it is for commercial resale and CALEA sales.

Notice that all of this is entirely legal, above board, and you agreed to it as part of your service agreement.

Source: I worked for AT&T and Carrier IQ

Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

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Post by KMag »

suifbwish wrote: post #131
caseysoftware wrote: post #74

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Relevant data points: - Open Carry is always illegal in DC. - DC does issue concealed carry permits but doesn't honor them from other states (called reciprocity). - This was talked about far and wide in advance on Twitter, Facebook, and elsewhere framed as "don't bring guns to DC! You will go to jail!" and supported by flyers posted throughout DC. (You can still find pictures of them online.)

I believe breaking into the capitol building is also illegal so I fail to see why people who are already breaking one law would care about the others

> why people who are already breaking one law would care about the others

Remind me not to get in your way when you're jaywalking.

Premeditating a felony firearms offense is one thing. I think the majority who entered the Capitol were probably thinking that most of the rhetoric they were hearing beforehand was hyperbole and were probably expecting to just protest outside the capital, and then got swept up in the moment and committed misdemeanor/felony breaking-and-entering.

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Post by trident5000 »

vehemenz wrote: post #144
trident5000 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same people complaining about the Patriot Act and cheering on Snowden for publicizing NSA PRISM are the same people cheering on govt mass triangulating civilians.

Yes. It is possible to believe in law enforcement and the curbing of privacy-invading legislation at the same time.

Actually no. You cannot believe in curbing privacy-invading legislation and also cheer on warantless mass cell phone location tracking at the same time. You need to pick one.

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Post by KMag »

stretchcat wrote: post #136
trident5000 wrote: post #78

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Almost no civilian in the country has "automatic weapons" this is what people are saying when they mention theres a lot of hyperbole around this topic.

Slight correction: Legal automatic weapons. It is hard to estimate how many people have or could retrofit semiautomatic weapons into automatic weapons illegally. There are public plans for such modifications floating around the net, and at least some of them actually work, with some guns. And that's not counting the quasi-automatic stuff like bumpstocks or gimmicky 'trigger cranks.' I once met somebody who wears a li…

I think the risk-to-reward ratio is pretty low for having an illegal automatic weapon. It takes a lot of trigger discipline even for average trained soldiers to not to quickly waste most of their ammo with fully automatic weapons.

Then again, just because it's not smart doesn't mean people don't do it.

Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

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Post by KMag »

caseysoftware wrote: post #96
CydeWeys wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Walking around with a gun in DC is an automatic felony with potentially years in jail, especially if it's in connection with a violent act which this insurrection was. DC is not a gun-friendly place. These people were stupid, but not that stupid.

To make sure I understand you: Your claim is that a bunch of people showed up to violently overthrow the government but didn't bring guns because that would be illegal?

They were deluded by their political puppet masters into thinking they were actually showing up to defend the constitution by intimidating corrupt politicians who knew they were corrupt.

They didn't bring guns because their goal wasn't to overthrow the government.

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