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World of Warcraft 9.0.2 client runs natively on Apple Silicon

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Re: World of Warcraft 9.0.2 client runs natively on Apple Silicon

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Post by v7p1Qbt1im »

Iv wrote: post #50
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #6

This is why Windows on ARM has largely been doomed while Mac on ARM will immediately succeed: Apple told its partners that this is the future of the Mac and expected them to deliver if they intended to continue to be on Apple platforms. Microsoft has constantly and aggressively failed to commit. Be it to Mobile or ARM or HoloLens or whatever. They simply haven't made it clear that supporting their new platforms is co…

Microsoft can't even let go of x86 and make x86_64 mandatory. It could them years to recognize ARM as a valid target.

At it‘s most basic, Microsoft‘s makes billions by enabling enterprise customers to remain lazy.

If you don‘t force them they will never move an inch. They‘d rather pay insane amounts for support for decades old shitty software than to finally modernize.

It‘s easy money for MS. Though I‘m sure Windows devs hate it.

Re: World of Warcraft 9.0.2 client runs natively on Apple Silicon

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Post by technofiend »

Jaruzel wrote: post #135
lobster45 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They do, with Server 2019 for corporate servers. But your point is that no one is running Server 201x as their desktop OS, unlike the NT 4 .1 days, which then was rebranded into windows 2000, or NT 5

There's also the LTSC (Long-Term Servicing Channel) build of Windows 10[1], which doesn't have any of the consumer bits and bobs, and other than security fixes isn't designed to have any feature updates post deployment. --- [1] https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/l...

LTSC is fantastic in that it ditches all the cruft. I wish they had a consumer-friendly license for it, though. Microsoft's vision for consumer windows 10 is no longer an unobtrusive platform that doesn't get in the way of the user, much less force unwanted features on them.

Re: World of Warcraft 9.0.2 client runs natively on Apple Silicon

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Post by viktorcode »

emadabdulrahim wrote: post #114

Just installed WoW on my M1 MBP and was blown away by the performance. I was running on battery, graphics set on max and the game was running 60fps without dropping a frame. And the fans never went on. How is this even possible on such a small machine? Here's a link for screenshots and video (notice how instant the game closes when exiting) https://www.notion.so/emads/MBP-M1-Chip-running-WoW-at-60fps...

Would be nice if you set a higher resolution. I wonder what rendering size can you set before FPS dives

Re: World of Warcraft 9.0.2 client runs natively on Apple Silicon

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Post by dmichulke »

Ericson2314 wrote: post #34
stouset wrote: post #26

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On the flip side, supporting all that backward compatibility has been a massive anchor on Microsoft's ability to move Windows forward from decisions made in the past.

Yeah Microsoft is a like King John signing the Magna Carta to keep the thrown. Apple is like Louis XIV.

I believe you mean throne.

Still, as developer on the JVM I find the concept of a "Game of throwns" exceptional.

Re: World of Warcraft 9.0.2 client runs natively on Apple Silicon

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Post by dagw »

lostlogin wrote: post #113
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #104

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Surfaces are very, very custom. Their x86 versions even are almost entirely bespoke: There are custom Surface drivers for nearly every component. Their hardware team is top notch, and I guarantee you hardware is not where Microsoft is falling flat. The Surface Duo is another example: The hardware was ready for years. If it'd launched when it was, they'd have scooped the foldable trend super early. But the Windows on…

> Their hardware team is top notch That keyboard... it makes the bad Apple ones look top shelf. I know removable keyboards are a different thing but I cringe remembering the clicks and trackpad.

I don't know, I think the Surface pro keyboard is surprisingly good all things considered. I agree the trackpad doesn't feel great, but it is accurate and usable enough and the typing experience is certainly no worse than any other similarly sized laptop I've used and better than many. For a removable keyboard I think they've done a great job.

Re: World of Warcraft 9.0.2 client runs natively on Apple Silicon

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Post by yreg »

JohnJamesRambo wrote: post #51
hombre_fatal wrote: post #38

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However you want to trash them, the fact is that they maintain 3 of the top 20 games viewed on Twitch at this moment.

And McDonald’s is the top fast food chain but that doesn’t make it good. Rather it caters to the lowest common denominator, something Activision-Blizzard has excelled at. I’m talking about quality.

McDonald's is an amazing company. We are discussing product/financial health here, not whether you like them.

Re: World of Warcraft 9.0.2 client runs natively on Apple Silicon

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Post by Darmody »

vbezhenar wrote: post #132
shmerl wrote: post #92

Where is the Linux client?

I know that some people successfully running WoW with wine. You might want to try it.

Can confirm. I played WoW recently, even the 9.0 prepatch and worked perfectly with Wine Staging 5.21.

Re: World of Warcraft 9.0.2 client runs natively on Apple Silicon

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Post by dispat0r »

an_opabinia wrote: post #41
slg wrote: post #11

This is a related tangent, but I haven't seen this addressed anywhere else yet so might as well ask it here. What does Apple silicon mean for the future of gaming on Apple hardware? With the death of bootcamp and the apparent difficulty with emulation, is the only hope for individual developers to update to native support like Blizzard is doing here? And what does the future of GPUs look like? Are there expected to b…

> What does Apple silicon mean for the future of gaming on Apple hardware? It is definitely the death of gaming as we know it on PCs. Blizzard didn't bother porting Overwatch to macOS, their latest engine, and even that game was released in 2016. They ported to the PS4. It's just too small of a market. Nintendo Switch level games should port fine, many are developed on cross platform engines like Unity that already s…

Apple should just support valve with proton(wine). This would enable 90% of all Windows games on the Mac.

Re: World of Warcraft 9.0.2 client runs natively on Apple Silicon

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Post by totalZero »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #136
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #6

This is why Windows on ARM has largely been doomed while Mac on ARM will immediately succeed: Apple told its partners that this is the future of the Mac and expected them to deliver if they intended to continue to be on Apple platforms. Microsoft has constantly and aggressively failed to commit. Be it to Mobile or ARM or HoloLens or whatever. They simply haven't made it clear that supporting their new platforms is co…

No, this is not the reason. The reason is that Apple didn't half-ass anything, and they executed with competence. The Apple M1 is so good, it outperforms most everything else natively in single-thread, and every other previous x86-based MBP when using Rosetta, all the while offering superior battery life, and its not even that expensive because those are the entry-level models. Microsoft never had anything remotely l…

Almost every software offering under the sun runs natively on Windows, so it doesn't exactly make sense to give MacOS a pat on the back for that particular achievement with WoW.

I am all for innovation and I welcome any chip that runs cooler while offering better performance with the apps I use. But so far, 90% of the praise I've seen of M1 either comes from benchmarking software that doesn't reflect my real world usage, or directly from Apple's marketing.

It's a bit early to draw conclusions about how much of a smash hit M1 is going to be. We don't know much about its performance, aside from a few benchmarks here and there.

Re: World of Warcraft 9.0.2 client runs natively on Apple Silicon

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Post by bayindirh »

eecc wrote: post #130
oneplane wrote: post #62

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Microsoft is trying to have it both ways; turns out that's not what people really want (and when it's all about people they just fail -- Windows Phone anyone?), but because business clients (which generally doesn't mean the actual business end-users but some other department) tend to buy whatever looks good on paper. It all just keeps going on with no real improvements. This disconnect between people and products has…

I wonder how would it work if they ripped out all the crufty apps and UI configuration tools and replaced them with simple (dumbed down) controls like Gnome or Apple do. All the more advanced knobs made available via Powershell, also like Gnome or Apple. Indeed any professionally managed configuration isn’t maintained with point’n’click panels anyway...

It's not as easy it sounds. It took a whole generation to decouple printing subsystem from UI libraries.

Also power users tweak a lot of little advanced settings via these point'n'click panels anyway. Even tuning a desktop PC needs a lot of tinkering down the road.

Windows is a very powerful platform as is but, it's not well suited to everything due to its architecture and design choices. This situation is equally valid for all operating systems out there.

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