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World of Warcraft 9.0.2 client runs natively on Apple Silicon

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Re: World of Warcraft 9.0.2 client runs natively on Apple Silicon

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

yyyk wrote: post #31
aidenn0 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft cares because if Mac laptops have twice the battery life of windows laptops, nobody will blame Intel

It still doesn't make sense for MS to push ARM that way - Apple isn't offering its ARM processors to 3rd parties. The best non-Apple processors are obviously x86 right now.

My question is what is the play for Intel and AMD right now? Are they shitting their pants or is this something that was somewhat expected given the progression of Apple's chips and their announced plans? Do Intel/AMD understand how Apple managed to so outmaneuver them? Is the performance gain Apple has delivered an inherent advantage of ARM over x86, and if so, does that imply that we are going to be seeing a migration to ARM in the PC space in the coming decade?

I'm deeply fascinated by these questions. I'd love it if someone in the chip design industry who is knowledgeable about the situation would comment.

Re: World of Warcraft 9.0.2 client runs natively on Apple Silicon

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

shmoogy wrote: post #33
slg wrote: post #11

This is a related tangent, but I haven't seen this addressed anywhere else yet so might as well ask it here. What does Apple silicon mean for the future of gaming on Apple hardware? With the death of bootcamp and the apparent difficulty with emulation, is the only hope for individual developers to update to native support like Blizzard is doing here? And what does the future of GPUs look like? Are there expected to b…

Unsure but league plays at like 100 FPS through Rosetta - better than intel igpu. I would expect they'll have an X version chip or future that are even more competitive with discrete laptop GPUs

League of Legends is not a demanding game. It will run at 120fps on a GTX 960 on max settings 1080p. (The 960 is about 1/4 as powerful as the current flagships according to passmark.)

Re: World of Warcraft 9.0.2 client runs natively on Apple Silicon

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Post by fjdjsmsm »

yyyk wrote: post #31
aidenn0 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft cares because if Mac laptops have twice the battery life of windows laptops, nobody will blame Intel

It still doesn't make sense for MS to push ARM that way - Apple isn't offering its ARM processors to 3rd parties. The best non-Apple processors are obviously x86 right now.

Apple isn’t selling to third parties, but I bet Google wants to. Google must be putting pressure on Qualcomm, and maybe Nvidia, to make something competitive. If they try, within a few years I’m sure someone can.

Imagine 3 years from now there are a bunch of Chromebooks selling at Chromebook prices, but offering intel performance. That would start to hurt Microsoft.

Re: World of Warcraft 9.0.2 client runs natively on Apple Silicon

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Post by lmm »

ogre_codes wrote: post #81
Arcuru wrote: post #69

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Rosetta seems to have a similar performance hit to Microsoft's solution (10-30% overhead compared to native, depending on the workload). The difference is that Microsoft is locked into using Qualcomm chips, which just aren't very close to Apple's performance.

The impression I got was that it was a lot slower than a 30% performance hit, but perhaps the Qualcomm CPU is that much slower? If so, it really begs the question—Why bother making a tablet-laptop thing which performs so poorly?

The tablet-laptop form factor is great, and a lot of people simply don't need high performance but do need to run some specific line of business application from 2003, so including x86 emulation makes sense.

Re: World of Warcraft 9.0.2 client runs natively on Apple Silicon

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Post by pram »

tw04 wrote: post #65
oneplane wrote: post #62

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Microsoft is trying to have it both ways; turns out that's not what people really want (and when it's all about people they just fail -- Windows Phone anyone?), but because business clients (which generally doesn't mean the actual business end-users but some other department) tend to buy whatever looks good on paper. It all just keeps going on with no real improvements. This disconnect between people and products has…

>(and when it's all about people they just fail -- Windows Phone anyone?) Everyone I knew who had a windows phone seemed to love it. If MS were taking a run at it today it would likely succeed. The nail in the coffin was Google refusing to write a Youtube app for Windows Phone and THEN blocking the app that MS wrote themselves. I'm still shocked the EU didn't tear them apart on that move. It's about as anti-competiti…

There were hundreds of nails in the Windows Phone coffin. The straight incompatibility between 7 and 8 was a gigantic fuck you to every early adopter, dev or otherwise.

Re: World of Warcraft 9.0.2 client runs natively on Apple Silicon

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Post by lobster45 »

peteretep wrote: post #87
oneplane wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft is trying to have it both ways; turns out that's not what people really want (and when it's all about people they just fail -- Windows Phone anyone?), but because business clients (which generally doesn't mean the actual business end-users but some other department) tend to buy whatever looks good on paper. It all just keeps going on with no real improvements. This disconnect between people and products has…

Maybe it’s time for them to split out NT and a home/office-light edition again

They do, with Server 2019 for corporate servers. But your point is that no one is running Server 201x as their desktop OS, unlike the NT 4 .1 days, which then was rebranded into windows 2000, or NT 5

Re: World of Warcraft 9.0.2 client runs natively on Apple Silicon

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Post by brailsafe »

shmoogy wrote: post #33
slg wrote: post #11

This is a related tangent, but I haven't seen this addressed anywhere else yet so might as well ask it here. What does Apple silicon mean for the future of gaming on Apple hardware? With the death of bootcamp and the apparent difficulty with emulation, is the only hope for individual developers to update to native support like Blizzard is doing here? And what does the future of GPUs look like? Are there expected to b…

Unsure but league plays at like 100 FPS through Rosetta - better than intel igpu. I would expect they'll have an X version chip or future that are even more competitive with discrete laptop GPUs

That's pretty impressive, for mobile hardware. Did you test that yourself?
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