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Jack Dorsey says it’s time to rethink the fundamental dynamics of Twitter

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Re: Jack Dorsey says it’s time to rethink the fundamental dynamics of Twitter

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Post by raimue »

gmcabrita wrote: post #124
simonsarris wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I follow a few hundred people with very varied interests, and I don't log in every few minutes. For non-addicted people, the algo is pretty nice. I want to see a sampling of interesting stuff I "missed" over the last day or two. If I want to go look at a particular person's chronological feed, I can do that. You can change it if you don't like it, click the sparkle button to do so, but don't think nobody likes it.

The "sparkle setting" resets if you haven't been on Twitter Web for a while, even if you always keep up with Twitter on mobile. I use Twitter Web so infrequently that whenever I open it, it has always changed back to the "Top Tweets" view.

Even on the new Twitter Web UI it automatically changes back from "Latest Tweets" to "Home", although I visit the site several times per day.

If only Twitter had separate URLs for the two styles, then I could just update my bookmark...

Re: Jack Dorsey says it’s time to rethink the fundamental dynamics of Twitter

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Post by charliebrownau »

Gday Platforms that censor speech List :-

* Facebook

* Twitter

* Google & Youtube

* TUMBLR

* Pateron

* Stripe

* Paypal

* Twitch

* Spotify

* Apple

* pin interest

* LinkedIn

* Mailchimp

* Wordpress

* mastodon

* azure

* Mastercard

* Godaddy

* MEDIUM

* Shopify

* Cloudflare

* pusher

* WIKI

* Reddit

* teespring

* Slack

* coinbase

* GOFUNDME

* VISA

* Square

* Bitpay

* ROKU

* Netflix

* Indiegogo

* Disqus

* VIMEO

Regards, Charliebrowau

Re: Jack Dorsey says it’s time to rethink the fundamental dynamics of Twitter

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Post by shambolicfroli »

richmarr wrote: post #27
AimForTheBushes wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No matter how many times I click "Show less of this" it keeps coming back.

Anyone who's in a position to use Tweetdeck instead of Twitter's web UI will find a free, Twitter-maintained, product with no annoying algorithms and no advertising. It's the version of Twitter targeted at newsrooms, etc. I assume a lot of people already know and have reasons why they don't... but likely not everyone here has tried it so it may be worth repeating. https://tweetdeck.twitter.com/

It says I have messages, but I don't seem to have figured out how to view them.

Re: Jack Dorsey says it’s time to rethink the fundamental dynamics of Twitter

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Post by tomjakubowski »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #68
ordinaryperson wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your point about Twitter's scale is fair, but I personally don't think the situation is hopeless, as you seem to suggest. If you have troll engagers in your feed, unfollow them. But right now I have no way of filtering replies...it's frustrating. No system is perfect but let's at least TRY to improve the status quo. If Twitter is consistently beta-testing new features to improve the quality of the UX/tweet replies, I…

But people like the drama even if reluctantly. It's like how you can /ignore someone on IRC and phpbb, but nobody actually does. They only threaten it. Hell yes they want to be clued in when you open your mouth so they can bark back! Humans love it. Look how many people waste their time responding to Donald Trump's tweets with things like "RESIGN!" They could unfollow Trump. But they choose to spend their precious ti…

> Nobody would use the block feature on Twitter if it didn't tell the other person you blocked them.

Well, there is a "mute" feature which acts a lot like a "silent" block, and plenty of people use that.

Re: Jack Dorsey says it’s time to rethink the fundamental dynamics of Twitter

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Post by [deleted] »

ordinaryperson wrote: post #8

I don't understand why Twitter hasn't implemented some kind of reputation gradient that would allow users to filter by levels. Yes, I realize they are tricky to implement and subject to abuse but imagine you got points for using your real name, real photo, demerits for insults etc, then users could filter out hordes of trolls and gutter nonsense and instead focus on the meaningful conversations that do actually occur…

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Re: Jack Dorsey says it’s time to rethink the fundamental dynamics of Twitter

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Post by T2_t2 »

whatever_dude wrote: post #79

> I don’t think I would create ‘likes’ in the first place. _You didn't_. It was called "Favorites", and you later renamed it to "likes". Jack can introspect as much as he wants, but it doesn't change the fact that they keep making the platform _worse_, not better. Another indication is that the official web/client is a cesspool of unrelated content I don't want to see, and somehow they now think they need to double d…

I think it is more a case of being everything to everyone, and one size fits all just plain sux.

IMHO there is no Twitter problem, but there are specific Twitter niche problems. Twitter is trying to solve the problems of people who want to follow a sport with those who want to lead a culture war in the same way and with the same perspectives and expected outcomes. They are not just very different problem spaces, but fundamentally different cultures, with different expectations and rules, and making either group live with a compromise between their cultures leaves everyone unhappy.

Reddit sidesteps this to a degree, with subreddits, by everything being less personal, and with moderation of sub reddits. Twitter, being account based rather than topic based, can't manage that. Twitter is just Twitter - a singular entity used in non-singular ways and criticised as a singular entity from very specific and singular perspectives.

How do you fix that? No idea. My hope is that Machine learning can give us better filtering, because the problem with Twitter is that people are not brands, so if I follow a basketball coach, and he has a bugbear about an issue that annoys me, I either lose all of his tweets, or put up with off topic rants.

But then, thinking about it, I'm not sure if that is a bug or Twitter's key feature. Maybe Twitter only works because the poor filtering forces people to see what they don't want to, and that drives usage and, in a perverse way, a desire to use twitter. That's a dark timeline.

Re: Jack Dorsey says it’s time to rethink the fundamental dynamics of Twitter

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Post by grey-area »

It's time to rethink twitter and launch another service.

Readers want to see the content they select, in the order they select, from people/posters they find interesting. Have conversations and maybe connect with people they follow.

Posters want to control their feed and who sees it, control the conversation a bit more, perhaps pay for better tools to curate replies, get rid of spam/trolls etc, have their complaints about stalking/nazis/trolls taken seriously by someone who cares.

Advertising is at the root of the problems of Twitter because advertisers are their only customer - they are forced by their bottom line to find ever more inventive ways to boost impressions (the overwhelming notifications, the dystopian 'home' view which shows you content selected by twitter, showing likes, plays for engagement/eyeballs rather than quality, and now this new 'interest-based network' idea which lets twitter select content). Facebook suffers from the same disease - they must own your feed and your attention, any user control hits their bottom line.

The solution is of course the radical option of removing advertising entirely.

Readers should always be free as they donate their time and attention.

Posters with thousands of followers (whether businesses or individuals) would happily pay for better tools to manage their readers, manage the feed, manage responses to posts etc. Some of them would pay quite a lot for more control/access.

Journalists, traders, businesses, developers would pay for access to a firehose of data and ways of working with that data (public data with user permission of course).

I'd pay to broadcast on a version of twitter without ads, nazis and trolls, wouldn't you?

Re: Jack Dorsey says it’s time to rethink the fundamental dynamics of Twitter

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Post by tkxxx7 »

gfodor wrote: post #41

Dorsey to me has it half right. Twitter should just follow with what we typically do in real life: "follow" people, but masked by interests we trust those people about. I want to read about politics from the political analysts I follow, but don't care about their cooking adventures on the weekend. I want to read about tech from the software folks I follow, but don't want to hear about their politics. I sure as heck d…

> I want to read about politics from the political analysts I follow, but don't care about their cooking adventures on the weekend. I want to read about tech from the software folks I follow, but don't want to hear about their politics. I sure as heck don't want to see "liked" tweets by people I follow in areas outside of the interests of theirs I care about. > Beyond that, I'm generally disappointed that we never hear about features that try to get users to act better, by their own volition

Now that's a great idea. Let me create multiple outgoing feeds. Lists become 10x cooler when "C programming" only contains programming tweets

Re: Jack Dorsey says it’s time to rethink the fundamental dynamics of Twitter

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Post by grey-area »

simonsarris wrote: post #60
baggy_trough wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Algorithmic feeds are, in all cases, Satan's handiwork. What I want is to see posts from the individuals I have selected, interleaved in chronological order, with no tampering.

I follow a few hundred people with very varied interests, and I don't log in every few minutes. For non-addicted people, the algo is pretty nice. I want to see a sampling of interesting stuff I "missed" over the last day or two. If I want to go look at a particular person's chronological feed, I can do that. You can change it if you don't like it, click the sparkle button to do so, but don't think nobody likes it.

Try doing that, and find out how many times Twitter helpfully resets you to go back 'home' - a home which they feel they own and control. I press that button about once a week to go back to a chronological feed.

I don't log in every few minutes - every few hours perhaps on a good day, but have no interest in an algorithmic feed - a scrolling chronological feed is just fine.

There are very good reasons they forced us all onto this algorithm, and they are not in your interest - it means they can insert content whenever they like, and make posters pay for it. You may be happy with it now, but I doubt you would be long term when it becomes pay to play.

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Post by BartBoch »

ricefield wrote: post #132
BartBoch wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then make it an opt-in. Companies should use the more "opt-in" method. Bundle it under "experimental" or "advanced features" in an easy to use page with a very clear explanation of what each feature does.

That's kind of the point though - I had no idea this feature existed until they started pushing it to me. I think it's too much to expect users to opt-in to things. How would I have known to opt-in to this? Yet I am now much happier because they improved the UX for me. I think opt-out makes sense though, for users who don't a feature.

If you put it on a single, easily recognizable, easily accessible page (all new features, etc.), then many users will find it. You can even give a notification when a new feature is added (as long as kept to a reasonable amount).

Features that will go viral are worth adding for all, features that did not can be kept there.

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