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Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by w_t_payne »

wildmusings wrote: post #47
w_t_payne wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is violence on all sides ... however, only one side appears to have the tacit approval of POTUS. I think we can safely assume that he already (and quite rightly) disapproves of left wing violence -- but a lot of us remain unconvinced by his seemingly forced and totally unconvincing denunciations of violence committed by those who also vocally support him and claim to act in his name. WE need to condemn violence…

Why don't we demand the same disavowal of left wing radical groups like Antifa from Democratic politicians. There is countless footage of peaceful right-wing protesters getting beat, fire bombed, etc. at Berkeley and elsewhere.

We can and we should. Democratic politicians need to strongly disavow and condemn violence in general and left wing violence in particular and in exactly the same manner Republican politicians need to strongly disavow and condemn violence and right wing violence in particular. I would also like to see politicians from across the political spectrum come together to endorse peaceful political processes and to emphasise that the criminality of violence and hate has no place in a democratic society.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by rjtavares »

StevePerkins wrote: post #71
mrbiber wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not about some general vague problem with "extremism" of which supposedly all sides are guilty. This is about the emergence of a right-wing terrorist movement which has already committed several attacks. When your first reaction to this is to to bring in some unspecified crimes of the left, then this calls into question whether you understand the seriousness of the situation. There is a real chance that real,…

> to bring in some unspecified crimes of the left I realize that a large portion of young social media posters have already forgotten about this. Probably because John Oliver doesn't talk about it, and that's often their primary source of news analysis. But the Majority Whip for the U.S. Congress is STILL in recovery from a mass shooting over two months ago, by a deranged left-wing activist. In Dallas last year, 5 po…

Do you think Trump is comparable to Obama in how he handles these types of incidents?

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by jacquesm »

humanrebar wrote: post #124
jacquesm wrote: post #78

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If you gave up on Trump then that means that you at some point held him closer than you do today. I always thought he was a blow-hard and I'm terribly disappointed that someone like him can be elevated to any position of power. I really hoped that America was wiser than this. > Keep in mind that moderates who dislike Trump from the start can fairly blame left-wing shenanigans, at least partly, for the rise of Trump.…

I moved from "everyone deserves to be heard out" to "this guy is a bully and a bad person in many other ways". It was clear when he made fun of a man's disability and just grew from there. To be fair to the GOP, Trump basically did a hostile takeover with a plurality of the vote on the right against a very fractured field. I'm not advocating for a pissing contest over who is more violent. I'm advocating for people to…

> I moved from "everyone deserves to be heard out" to "this guy is a bully and a bad person in many other ways". It was clear when he made fun of a man's disability and just grew from there.

Ok, I thought it was rather very visible earlier on, such as before he even decided to run for president.

> To be fair to the GOP, Trump basically did a hostile takeover with a plurality of the vote on the right against a very fractured field.

They did not have to nominate him.

> I'm not advocating for a pissing contest over who is more violent.

Ok

> I'm advocating for people to treat each other decently even if they disagree. I'm advocating for rational dialogue.

It's pretty hard to have a rational dialogue when one side of the dialogue discards all facts as 'fake', brings their own 'alternative facts' to the table, tacitly and openly supports violence against their opposition and in general does whatever possible to polarize the society they are nominally supposed to lead.

> I think this isn't the moment to win points for the left.

This stopped being about 'points' long ago, this is about the future of a country.

> Partly because I think the case isn't strong, but also because I don't see it solving the real problem of divisive American politics.

Agreed, that problem starts at the top and it will take a serious amount of soul searching for the GOP to decide how far they will let this slide before they will put a stop to it. Chances are that it is already past the point where it can be arrested anyway but maybe there is still an outside chance the problem can be contained before it spills over.

> The left can't "win" enough to forever banish Trumps from power. It only causes escalation, at least so far.

This is not about left versus right, if that's your frame of reference today then you really should wake up and start paying attention, the damage to the United States as an institution both at home and abroad is immense.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by Dirlewanger »

It's like a lose-lose. Stay on the council, you ostensibly are committed to keeping manufacturing jobs in the US, but could be seen as complicit of Trump. Leave, and you're making a stand against Trump...while at the same time leaving one of the few good things he has going for him. And let's be honest, without some sort of external coercion, these companies aren't going to stay in the US.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by efuquen »

nmbr213 wrote: post #90
woofyman wrote: post #37

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There's a time for that discussion. But not now. Nazis, KKK, and white supremacists terrorized a town and killed a women. And our morally depraved president couldn't bring himself to put a name to evil.

> Nazis, KKK, and white supremacists terrorized a town They had a permit to hold that meeting. They could've showed off their bigotry peacefully, but police pushed them where Antifa counter-protested so both sides started to shout at each other which turned into a fight. It happened that way in Berkeley. Now it happened in Charlottetown. And it's going to happen again unless police starts doing it's job and protect p…

> He specifically named KKK, Nazis and white supremacists. But you wouldn't hear about that thanks to your echo bubble.

It took him two days and only after great pressure from people across the political spectrum. From Saturday when he gave his first statement to Monday before he gave the statement you referred to he refused to answer multiple times when he was asked by reporters to condemn white supremacy by name and call the attack an act of terrorism.

But when Merck's CEO resigns from the business council he was able to vehemently attack him and his company on twitter almost immediately. When a terrorist attacked the Louvre in France at 5 am Washington time it took him 3 hours to denounce 'radical Islamic terrorist'. His response to the London attacks also involving terrorists driving a car through crowds was just as swift and specific. But he holds off on calling out the neo-Nazis and KKK by name, disgusting.

Liberals and conservatives have been united in their condemnation of Trump's failure to call out evil by it's name. You are the one living in an echo chamber that is willing to defend white supremacists and their President.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by justin66 »

diryawish wrote: post #108
yardie wrote: post #72

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There were far more candidates that did not run on racist, misogynist platforms, ie. Bush, Rubio, Johnson. Trump was never the most moderate. The Republican party didn't even choose him. Their constituents did. And if they had been paying attention they would have known a demagogue could have walked off with the party base.

I take that back; Kasich was the most moderate. He also had very little charisma, unfortunately. He could have been a perfect VP for this administration if the two could get along. Trump was typically more moderate on the economy and tax policy, abortion, military. His stance on immigration is the more conservative than the rest. Rubio and most of the rest were very strict on abortion, had typical Republican ideas on…

> I take that back; Kasich was the most moderate.

Which is interesting, because Kasich is not in any objective sense a moderate. (I live in his state) Relative to the rest of that field, sure, but that's what is alarming.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by cafard »

jacquesm wrote: post #21
vowelless wrote: post #17

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Thanks. I heard about that. I am not sure how much resigning will help, but it needs to be done.

It sends a pretty strong message that certain ideologies are not an option for some of the American captains of industry. Trump is rather big on having their attention so them resigning sends a clear signal that if this is the path Trump wants to be on it will be a lonely one. Whether or not that message will be received and how it will be interpreted if it is received is an entirely different matter.

"Trump is rather big on having their attention"

I imagine that it feeds his vanity to have them around. Perhaps "their attendance" is nearer what he wants.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by MBCook »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #134

This position probably had very little political influence. However, why not stay and use whatever influence you may have to make a difference? Is it just not possible anymore to stay and disagree?

I suspect resigning, especially if it gives headlines, gives more political influence that they'd have had just staying on the board.

> Is it just not possible anymore to stay and disagree?

Many have done that so far in the administration. At a certain point it becomes untenable to stay and give any appearance of support/cooperation.

Re: Intel CEO leaves American Manufacturing Council

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Post by rjtavares »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #123
mrbiber wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not about some general vague problem with "extremism" of which supposedly all sides are guilty. This is about the emergence of a right-wing terrorist movement which has already committed several attacks. When your first reaction to this is to to bring in some unspecified crimes of the left, then this calls into question whether you understand the seriousness of the situation. There is a real chance that real,…

Let's try it this way: This is not about some general vague problem with "extremism" of which supposedly all sides are guilty. This is about the emergence of an Islamic terrorist movement which has already committed several attacks. When your first reaction to this is to to bring in some unspecified crimes of the US, then this calls into question whether you understand the seriousness of the situation. There is a rea…

Except Trump constantly winks at white supremacists and actively seeks their vote.
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