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Uber is facing the biggest crisis in its history

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Re: Uber is facing the biggest crisis in its history

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You think Uber drivers can't just switch to the competition at the drop of a hat? Lots of them already work for both Uber and Lyft at the same time! They're the absolute last people I'm worried about hurting here. There are other "ride-sharing" companies out there, you know. And when Uber is clearly going down the drain, more competitors will pop up in anticipation of taking advantage of the situation.

What percentage of customers/drivers do YOU think would switch over to Lyft et al? From my experience in growth/marketing, I would bet there would be around 50% drop off, but I could definitely be wrong! These things are hard to guess. (Customers need to switch as well as drivers) Even a 1% drop off leads to 5000 people let go. Anything substantial would lead me to strongly considering other avenues of redemption. To…

>What percentage of customers/drivers do YOU think would switch over to Lyft et al?

Um, all of them? If Uber went under, what choice would they have? Why would customers give up on Uber/Lyft and go back to cabs, when there's at least one company that does almost the exact same thing and is a direct competitor? Why would they refuse to install the Lyft app, when they've already shown they're willing to install the Uber app? And why would drivers not go to work for the competition, esp. with a giant void left by Uber in the market?

I'm sorry, I think your argument is ridiculous. Right now, I'm eating some spaghetti for dinner that I just made. It's made with Brand X spaghettin and Brand A of sauce. Now if either of these brands suddenly went under and disappeared from the supermarket aisles, do you think I'm going to just stop eating spaghetti altogether? That's insane. And even that would make more sense than this Uber scenario. Uber is just a way to get you from point A to point B, and has succeeded so far because it's both cheaper and more convenient, in most cases, than the incumbent services. People aren't going to suddenly stop needing to get transported places without Uber around, nor are those incumbents improving enough to get them back, at least in many places (if they were, Uber would have a large loss of ridership there already). And Lyft is already there (in many markets at least), offering the exact same service as Uber, frequently with many of the same drivers. Why wouldn't people switch? There's only two reasons: 1) ignorace (easily countered with some advertising, plus word-of-mouth from drivers during Uber's last days), and 2) lack of availability of Lyft or other competitors in certain locations (I believe Toronto does not have Lyft for some odd reason). At least with my spaghetti example someone might say they love sauce brand C so much that they just wouldn't bother making much spaghetti without it and would eat other stuff.

Re: Uber is facing the biggest crisis in its history

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I make a habit of talking to taxi drivers about Uber. Consistently they say they drive taxis because there is no money in driving for Uber (which of course that tells us less than it seems, because they are self-selected to be people who prefer driving taxis). One told me something new: I asked, as I often do, if they don't make money then why are there so many Uber drivers? This man said that some Uber drivers are t…

> AFAIK; they have no long-term capital investment or debt trap Medallions?

My understanding is that very few places have a medallion system. It's apparently quite common in the US, but I can't say I've heard about it anywhere else.

Does anyone have statistics on this?

Re: Uber is facing the biggest crisis in its history

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And when the unsustainable "subsidized growth" period ends, Lyft will be the new word on the street. It's not exactly a high barrier to entry to hear about and install a new app in this day and age. If your reasoning is entirely anecdata, there's really no point in you engaging in threads about where businesses are going, since you'd only ever have something to contribute after it already happened.

Why would Lyft have any better margins than Uber once the subsidized growth period is over? If anything Uber will have better margins as they can distribute their fixed costs across more rides due to their global availability.

Are you kidding? Having spent less.

Have you not been paying attention to Uber? They've been leaking funds like a sieve. Settlements, advertising, more employees, generally more aggressive and expensive tactics.

Re: Uber is facing the biggest crisis in its history

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> AFAIK; they have no long-term capital investment or debt trap Medallions?

My understanding is that very few places have a medallion system. It's apparently quite common in the US, but I can't say I've heard about it anywhere else. Does anyone have statistics on this?

How do other places control supply of taxis, or do they not do that at all?

Re: Uber is facing the biggest crisis in its history

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My understanding is that very few places have a medallion system. It's apparently quite common in the US, but I can't say I've heard about it anywhere else. Does anyone have statistics on this?

How do other places control supply of taxis, or do they not do that at all?

I don't know, and it's likely they don't do it at all.

Why would the number of taxis need to be controlled? I don't know much about the taxi industry and perhaps there is some good reason for it that I am simply not aware of?

Re: Uber is facing the biggest crisis in its history

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How do other places control supply of taxis, or do they not do that at all?

I don't know, and it's likely they don't do it at all. Why would the number of taxis need to be controlled? I don't know much about the taxi industry and perhaps there is some good reason for it that I am simply not aware of?

My baseless assumption always has been that it is for two reasons:

* It's one of those situations where the free market fails. Because anyone with a car can give someone a ride, it creates a race to the bottom and nobody can make money. You'll note that one criticism of Uber is that they create exactly that situation.

* Safety and fraud prevention for customers

Note that the community has an interest in quality transportation, including for tourists.

Re: Uber is facing the biggest crisis in its history

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I don't know, and it's likely they don't do it at all. Why would the number of taxis need to be controlled? I don't know much about the taxi industry and perhaps there is some good reason for it that I am simply not aware of?

My baseless assumption always has been that it is for two reasons: * It's one of those situations where the free market fails. Because anyone with a car can give someone a ride, it creates a race to the bottom and nobody can make money. You'll note that one criticism of Uber is that they create exactly that situation. * Safety and fraud prevention for customers Note that the community has an interest in quality trans…

But does controlling the number of taxis achieve those goals? The countries that I have experience with all have regulations attempting to ensure those very things that you mentioned, but none of them actively limits the number of taxis.

Re: Uber is facing the biggest crisis in its history

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Uber isn't taking a cut. They're subsidizing fares. https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/uber-true-cost-uh...

They are subsidizing the passenger's trip, but taking a cut from the driver's fare. There is a difference.

Taking a cut from where? I don't think Uber's costs are 60% and the drivers' are 40%.

Re: Uber is facing the biggest crisis in its history

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$3 billion per year isn't that much at that scale, it would still take them many years to burn through their estimated cash reserves. That is if they did nothing and earned no money, but they earn something. They would have time to come up with a plan even if it were a backup backup plan that involved shedding a large fraction of the company. If anything being public hinders options. Being private they can do a huge…

they don't have 70 billion in cash. They have raised 8.8 billion so far and have spent a fair chunk of that as is.

I never claimed they had 70 billion cash, just that they had large cash reserves. 8.8 is enough for two and half years if they don't earn a cent.

Re: Uber is facing the biggest crisis in its history

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I hate tipping because the rules are arbitrary, random, and unspoken. I have a few friends who work as servers in restaurants: anecdote, but they view anything under 20% of the bill total (including tax) as a "bad tip". This is partially because credit card receipts only include the total, not the tax separated out. So really, anything under around 22% is a bad tip. I tip 22% for full service, 10% for partial. If I g…

> This is partially because credit card receipts only include the total, not the tax separated out. So really, anything under around 22% is a bad tip. Can you explain the math? Why is this amount higher than 20% rather than lower than 20%?

The credit card receipt shows 1 total: food+tax. So the amount the server is basing the tip off is higher than what I am. So for me to tip what they think is 20%, I have to tip what I think is 22%.
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