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Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

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Post by mrgreenfur »

r_smart wrote: post #137
fny wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think, despite political affiliation, it's our obligation to hold him to the promises we believe in and galvanize his fired-up base to do so as well. I voted for Clinton and volunteered for the campaign, but I'll gladly push him to keep his word on this promise and the others that I believe will benefit our country.

If you visit r/the_donald today, you'll see a lot of this sentiment. I think it's been easy to forget that regardless of political identity, most of us agree on a lot of things. Like anyone in power, he should be held to account, and held to his promises. At least we can look forward to the media actually challenging the powers that be in the years ahead.

I went there and the first link called President Obama a 'Pussy'. I'm down for discourse and all, but how can anyone take all this machismo name calling?

Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

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Post by r_smart »

mrgreenfur wrote: post #141
r_smart wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you visit r/the_donald today, you'll see a lot of this sentiment. I think it's been easy to forget that regardless of political identity, most of us agree on a lot of things. Like anyone in power, he should be held to account, and held to his promises. At least we can look forward to the media actually challenging the powers that be in the years ahead.

I went there and the first link called President Obama a 'Pussy'. I'm down for discourse and all, but how can anyone take all this machismo name calling?

Well, I didn't say it was all wine and roses :)

I'd also like to point out I've seen a lot of people calling Trump voters racist, sexist, homophobic, fascists. Let's not pretend like there's something uniquely toxic about that place.

Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

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Post by mrgreenfur »

r_smart wrote: post #142
mrgreenfur wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I went there and the first link called President Obama a 'Pussy'. I'm down for discourse and all, but how can anyone take all this machismo name calling?

Well, I didn't say it was all wine and roses :) I'd also like to point out I've seen a lot of people calling Trump voters racist, sexist, homophobic, fascists. Let's not pretend like there's something uniquely toxic about that place.

I dont understand. I've never seen any other political forum so filled with bullying and hate. No one is discussing anything. It is alarming because it IS uniquely toxic.

(disclaimer: I dont spend much time in any political forums. Can you link some if I'm wrong?)

Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

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Post by noobermin »

rndgermandude wrote: post #78
noobermin wrote: post #71

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Word to the wise, less people voted for Trump than they did for Mitt Romney in 2012 (although they are still counting), and Romney lost. Next time, put someone up who could be voted for, not just point to someone to vote against.

Just for the sake of completeness: And less people voted for Clinton than they did for Mitt Romney in 2012.

Right, 6 million less people voted this year.

If Trump won, he won in the margins and due to lack of enthusiasm on Clinton's side. That is my entire point.

Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

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Post by ScottBurson »

Jaruzel wrote: post #104
threeseed wrote: post #98

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Republicans control the House and Senate. And Trump isn't going to veto conservative signature pieces like repealing ObamaCare.

Can someone explain why Americans hate ObamaCare? Here in the UK we have universal healthcare (the NHS) which all employed people pay for via a special tax (called National Insurance ,or NI) - isn't ObamaCare the same thing?

Proposals for a "single-payer" health care system like the NHS -- in which all citizens would pay into a single risk pool, which would cover most of their medical costs -- have been floated repeatedly in the US -- for example, as I recall, by Hillary Clinton during her husband's first term. They tend to be pretty popular with Democrats, AFAIK, but the Republicans have always bitterly opposed them.

The US actually has a single-payer health care system, called Medicare, for people 65 and older. It's wildly popular with the people who benefit from it, of both parties. It seems to be pretty well-run and to exert at least some useful downward pressure on costs. Extending it to all citizens doesn't seem like that big a leap to me. Of course it would all but obliterate the existing insurance industry, which has bought itself a lot of Congresscritters.

I think it would be a fascinating and hilarious irony if Trump came out supporting single-payer in the form of universal Medicare. I think the argument for having a single risk pool is very strong. And I don't see any other solution to the interlocking problems of containing costs (which are way out of hand here) and getting everyone insured.

Trump (whom I voted against, BTW) has shown he's not afraid to go against the Republican establishment. I think when he really looks at this problem he may come to this conclusion.

Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

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Post by freeone3000 »

socialist_coder wrote: post #101
rndgermandude wrote: post #80

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You'll first have to prove your premise that he is all about removing regulations (no matter what regulations), because that assertion is hardly an axiom.

He said that if any new regulations are passed, 2 must be removed.

That's not counter to regulation - add a regulation about large company mergers, remove regulations on CO2 and NOx producers. Done.

Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

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Post by davorb »

r00fus wrote: post #6
beedogs wrote: post #3

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Either that, or he'll just break his promise and let it go through.

Bingo. Promises, for Trump, are fulfilled upon announcement, and then forgotten. The examples are legion.

Charles De Gaulle once said: "Since a politician never believes what he says, he is quite surprised to be taken at his word."

Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

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Post by r_smart »

mrgreenfur wrote: post #143
r_smart wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I didn't say it was all wine and roses :) I'd also like to point out I've seen a lot of people calling Trump voters racist, sexist, homophobic, fascists. Let's not pretend like there's something uniquely toxic about that place.

I dont understand. I've never seen any other political forum so filled with bullying and hate. No one is discussing anything. It is alarming because it IS uniquely toxic. (disclaimer: I dont spend much time in any political forums. Can you link some if I'm wrong?)

Yeah, maybe I just got lucky? Maybe I have a higher tolerance? Maybe we have different political affiliations that make you more sensitive to it than me? I couldn't find the specific comment I was referring to, I think they've had a ton of traffic from their users this week, for obvious reasons. I skimmed through and grabbed some posts that I thought are a decent selection of what I'm talking about. I don't necessarily endorse any of the views in the comments, but just want to point out that there's a lot of solid commentary in there too, not just memes. The point is, these aren't just a bunch of uneducated racist assholes, despite what the narrative would tell you.

[0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5cafd5/need_a_p...

[1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c8xej/presiden...

[2]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c8xej/presiden...

[3]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7uk2/game_ove...

[4]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7tq2/we_won_t...

[5]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7ic6/1_trendi...

[6]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7ic6/1_trendi...

[7]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7ic6/1_trendi...

[8]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7ic6/1_trendi...

[9]: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5c7ic6/1_trendi...

Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

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Post by Buge »

vacri wrote: post #103
Buge wrote: post #100

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Democrats controlled the house and senate Obama's first term.

The first half of the first term. Republicans have controlled the House for the past 6 years. Interesting, isn't it? Presidents aren't autocrats. The Republicans play obstructionist politics, the people get pissed off at a government that's not doing anything, and then blame the wrong party. The do-nothing government that the people have just voted against? It's the government they've just voted for...

And in 2 years Democrats might control the house.

Re: Trump, our next president, promised to block AT&T/Time Warner merger

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Post by flukus »

Buge wrote: post #149
vacri wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first half of the first term. Republicans have controlled the House for the past 6 years. Interesting, isn't it? Presidents aren't autocrats. The Republicans play obstructionist politics, the people get pissed off at a government that's not doing anything, and then blame the wrong party. The do-nothing government that the people have just voted against? It's the government they've just voted for...

And in 2 years Democrats might control the house.

When was the last time democrats won mid terms?
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