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Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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Post by lazyjones »

jhall1468 wrote: post #118
njharman wrote: post #84

If your business model requires changes to reality, then your business model is probably dead. [If you have lobbying power, you can extend your business model for awhile, perhaps indefinitely ala content industry and copyright.] In other words, adapt your business model to change or die. It's not up to "reality", us, to change to support your business model. If there is demand for whatever you produce, someone will c…

It's exactly this kind of attitude that is going to lead to paywalls for virtually every type of content on the Internet. And the people that use the most heavy-handed approaches with ad-blocking are going to be the same people that are screaming "NOT MY PROBLEM" while the ship goes down. Their business model doesn't require changes to reality. Their business model requires the end-user to accept reality for what it…

> It's exactly this kind of attitude that is going to lead to paywalls for virtually every type of content on the Internet.

If you think this is going to happen as a result, you must presume that it would be a good - i.e. acceptable and viable - solution. Why do you simultaneously try to use it as a threatening outlook? If enough people perceive it as a threat or discover later that paywalls are even less convenient to them, some other solution will have to be found.

Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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Post by jwmerrill »

nwhitmore wrote: post #131
jwmerrill wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Response 1: whether this question already has a technical answer that you find satisfying does not affect whether using an ad blocker is theft. Response 2: a few sites are already popping up messages asking you to turn off your ad blocker, which is at least a partial existence proof. Response 3: if you want to know whether I got your ads, use cookies or make the request url unique to me, and then check that your ad s…

So, your viewpoint boils down to either I allow my content to be viewed solely on your terms or I go out of business. Sounds like the type of negotiation the mob engages in. But, hey, as long as you get what you want, I guess it is ok.

I edited my response because I realized it was inflammatory. But to be clear, my viewpoint is that the client/server and viewer/publisher relationship is a negotiation. The publisher should make content available under terms they find acceptable, and the user should be free to refuse to view things that they find unacceptable.

I don't think it's right that publishers seem to view me showing up at their front door as carte blanche to abuse my network and system resources to the full extent that JavaScript allows. And I think it's wrong to characterize user pushback as theft. Other kinds of "theft" are criminal behavior. Pick better terms.

Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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Post by lisivka »

lisivka wrote: post #111
LargeCompanies wrote: post #97

I use ad blockers because certain streaming sites I visit are the worst in terms of pop ups. I feel bad that using a blocker for these types of sites by default blocks all other sites. Publishers need to get paid and we as consumers don't want to pay for web content. Non intrusive ads and ads are needed and should be respected in terms of allowing us the opportunity to make a living creating content and or enjoying c…

Lost of their income due to their bad service is not a your problem. You are just helping them to understand their mistake. Feel good.

The anonymous coward, who silently downvoted me: read «Gemba Kaizen», please.

Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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Post by jhall1468 »

imgabe wrote: post #137
jhall1468 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's exactly this kind of attitude that is going to lead to paywalls for virtually every type of content on the Internet. And the people that use the most heavy-handed approaches with ad-blocking are going to be the same people that are screaming "NOT MY PROBLEM" while the ship goes down. Their business model doesn't require changes to reality. Their business model requires the end-user to accept reality for what it…

Most content is worthless. Content that has actual monetary value to someone, market research data for instance, has no trouble finding people willing to pay for it. The fact is most "news" and other article type sites do not serve a purpose other than satisfying some idle curiosity or passing time. Very little of it has a material impact on anyone's day to day life. The purpose can easily be filled by some alternate…

> Most content is worthless.

What nonsense. Most content's worth is variable depending on who is consuming it. The issue with ad-blockers is that it isn't killing worthless content. It's killing content that survives between the insane traffic of Facebook and the complete lack of traffic in personal blogs that 12 people visit.

> The purpose can easily be filled by some alternate, free material.

Yes, because the quality of content supported by ads and the quality of content done by some ad-free blog in someone's free time is always equal.

> When the content can be easily leveraged to some profitable goal, people are usually more than willing to pay for it.

You mean like instructional YouTube videos, free web-based resources for learning new things (programming, languages, etc). Oh wait, all of that is ad-supported.

Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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Post by bigbugbag »

intrasight wrote: post #113

I use uBlock Origin. I don't block ads - I block 3rd party requests. People that complain about ad blocking are indeed missing the mark. I'm fine with ads - really. But if you want them seen, you are going to have to serve them yourself. There is no going backwards - for reasons spelled out by others in this thread. So if your business depends on ads, then you are in the ad business. Web sites are going to have to be…

Isn't that the success recipe that turned google into a multi-billion transnational corp ?

Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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Post by jhall1468 »

anonymousab wrote: post #124
jhall1468 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's exactly this kind of attitude that is going to lead to paywalls for virtually every type of content on the Internet. And the people that use the most heavy-handed approaches with ad-blocking are going to be the same people that are screaming "NOT MY PROBLEM" while the ship goes down. Their business model doesn't require changes to reality. Their business model requires the end-user to accept reality for what it…

Your post seems entirely based on the assumption that people will not create and host quality content for free.

It seems the assumption of "block everything" individuals is that any quality content that is not currently free somehow will magically become so when all ads are blocked.

Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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Post by bmelton »

Floegipoky wrote: post #109
DanBC wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I dislike like spam and adverts in roughly equal measure and I've never heard of this Boulder Pledge. How old are you? How long have you been using the Internet? Do you remember the time before commercial use of the WWW?

My favorite part of HN, the reason I prefer this news feed over any other, is because the comments are usually intelligent and civil. Your comment here is neither, and it just turned a discussion about the morality of ad-blocking and the viability of ad-based revenue models into a dick measuring contest. Not cool.

A more charitable reading of DanBC's comment is simply inquisitive. If we're going to hold civility in such high esteem, then we should also be assuming good faith, which it seems you have not done.

Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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Post by Thaxll »

njharman wrote: post #84

If your business model requires changes to reality, then your business model is probably dead. [If you have lobbying power, you can extend your business model for awhile, perhaps indefinitely ala content industry and copyright.] In other words, adapt your business model to change or die. It's not up to "reality", us, to change to support your business model. If there is demand for whatever you produce, someone will c…

The problem is people don't want to pay for anything.

Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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Post by jhall1468 »

raddad wrote: post #125
jhall1468 wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's exactly this kind of attitude that is going to lead to paywalls for virtually every type of content on the Internet. And the people that use the most heavy-handed approaches with ad-blocking are going to be the same people that are screaming "NOT MY PROBLEM" while the ship goes down. Their business model doesn't require changes to reality. Their business model requires the end-user to accept reality for what it…

The world did fine prior to the advertisements and the world will be fine after the advertisements fail. Simply because somebody asks you to become a sheeple doesn't mean you are required to become one. No need to fall into lock step and comply.

Modern advertising began in 1836. Why has it become vogue to call someone "sheeple" because they think there's a happy medium between the "all ads are bad" and the "giving you a seizure with my ad is okay" approaches.

You aren't an underground revolution fighting the man. You installed a browser plugin.

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