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Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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Post by 67726e »

JupiterMoon wrote: post #80
Jweb_Guru wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This strikes me as pretty similar to the usual "record labels are evil" defense for pirating music, in that it's a rationalization for something people were going to do anyway. While your points are true ones, they're not the reasons most people are using ad blockers (for instance, I am quite confident that most people have no idea about the security risks involved in simply loading an advertisement).

No. The security argument would be more analogous to a hypothetical situation whereby listening to legally purchased CDs occasionally resulted in you house keys or credit card details being distributed to criminals.

Or, you know, that time Sony installed a rootkit from music CDs.

Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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Post by DanBC »

fromMars wrote: post #88
BogusIKnow wrote: post #83

Main reason for ad-blockers for me: They try to distract you from reading the text you came for. While in print ads don't (can't) do this. Online they open to the whole page after some time, they constantly animate things to draw your attention from the text, some play sound, videos, left, right, above, below and in the text between paragraphs and capturing links. Main reason probably because they don't really work.

I am also not a fan of annoying ads and maybe I am just a crotchety old guy, but, IMO, using an Ad Blocker and viewing content is theft. If one is concerned with privacy, there are alternative measures such as cookie blocking options, legislation, etc. If the ad formats are annoying then the right thing to do is to let the publisher know and work out a way to pay for the content ad-free or just stop using the site. I…

I mostly agree with you.

But on a metered Internet connection the ads can increase cost. That's pretty lousy - I pay to get this extra content that I don't want, in order to provide minimal payment to the content creator.

Some movie studios realised that one thing driving torrent downloads was the fragility of DVDs / BluRays in the hands of children, and people wanted backups. So they started offering electronic downloads for people who bought the disc, or free disc replacements.

Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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Post by Dolores12 »

Yuioup wrote: post #68

I've said it before and I'll say it again: If you want some of my money you need to get it from the people who charge me every month for accesing you web page: My ISP. They are the ones making money off the fact that I want to get on the internet and access content. Too bad there is no reliable, independent mechanism for taking some of that money and putting it in a large pool to be ditributed to content creators. Th…

you pay your ISP for internet access, not for content.

Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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Post by BogusIKnow »

fromMars wrote: post #88
BogusIKnow wrote: post #83

Main reason for ad-blockers for me: They try to distract you from reading the text you came for. While in print ads don't (can't) do this. Online they open to the whole page after some time, they constantly animate things to draw your attention from the text, some play sound, videos, left, right, above, below and in the text between paragraphs and capturing links. Main reason probably because they don't really work.

I am also not a fan of annoying ads and maybe I am just a crotchety old guy, but, IMO, using an Ad Blocker and viewing content is theft. If one is concerned with privacy, there are alternative measures such as cookie blocking options, legislation, etc. If the ad formats are annoying then the right thing to do is to let the publisher know and work out a way to pay for the content ad-free or just stop using the site. I…

I don't agree. If I get a magazine which is mostly not financed by my payment but the ads, and rip out all ads and throw them away, or throw the ad supplements away and not read them, is it theft?

If it is theft blocking (aka not reading) ads online, is it theft if I just don't read them? And I don't want to argue, just interested, where is the difference in not reading them and blocking them? Is it morally imperative to read all ads in a magazine?

So I came to the conclusion, because I throw away ad supplement of magazines right away and don't read ads in magazines, me ad blocking can't be theft either, or not reading ads in magazines is theft too.

PS: Because you bringing up bit torrent implying people who ad block are also downloading films, well, I'm not.

Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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Post by DanBC »

JupiterMoon wrote: post #82
DanBC wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But people the people who created those early spam filters - they all signed the Boulder Pledge. They all agreed that not only would they block spam, but they would also never ever buy a product promoted with spam. > Nor is there a moral obligation to do so. Don't pretend that you have unique moral authority, able to decide the rights and wrongs. If you don't want ads you should boycott ad supported sites - not givin…

I dislike like spam and adverts in roughly equal measure and I've never heard of this Boulder Pledge. > But people the people who created those early spam filters - they all signed the Boulder Pledge. They all agreed that not only would they block spam, but they would also never ever buy a product promoted with spam. And people that use spam filters on a daily basis just like the fact that they don't get as much spam…

> I dislike like spam and adverts in roughly equal measure and I've never heard of this Boulder Pledge.

How old are you? How long have you been using the Internet? Do you remember the time before commercial use of the WWW?

Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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Post by putlake »

nekopa wrote: post #89

Can anyone here tell me how much a site like Guru3D makes if I visit and read one article? Is it like a fraction of a cent?

RPM (revenue per 1000 pageviews) varies wildly by site, geo and platform (desktop/mobile). If you're a site with cat photos it's about $1. If you're about mortgage refinancing or roofing, it could be $15. The first pageview in a user's session is more valuable than subsequent pageviews on the same site. So if your 1000 pageviews are from 900 users, your RPM will be $4 but if they are from 200 users (5 PVs per user), then it'll be $.90.

RPMs on desktop/tablet are much higher (about 2x) compared with mobile. RPMs for U.S. traffic are also much higher (4x) compared with say traffic from India.

Interstitial ads pay much higher (about 3x) compared with standard banner ads.

Over the past 2 years, RPMs from Adsense have fallen about 40%.

EDIT: All of the above applies to 3rd party ads sold on exchanges via ad networks like Adsense. Direct-sold ads have much higher RPMs, usually in double digits. But small publishers either don't have the traffic volume or the sales staff to sell ads directly.

Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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Post by LargeCompanies »

I use ad blockers because certain streaming sites I visit are the worst in terms of pop ups. I feel bad that using a blocker for these types of sites by default blocks all other sites. Publishers need to get paid and we as consumers don't want to pay for web content. Non intrusive ads and ads are needed and should be respected in terms of allowing us the opportunity to make a living creating content and or enjoying content.

If we continue down this path it's truly going to be a wall gardened app world controlled a ton by Apple.

Re: The Devastating Effect of Ad-Blockers for Guru3D.com

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Post by teddyh »

DanBC wrote: post #95
JupiterMoon wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dislike like spam and adverts in roughly equal measure and I've never heard of this Boulder Pledge. > But people the people who created those early spam filters - they all signed the Boulder Pledge. They all agreed that not only would they block spam, but they would also never ever buy a product promoted with spam. And people that use spam filters on a daily basis just like the fact that they don't get as much spam…

> I dislike like spam and adverts in roughly equal measure and I've never heard of this Boulder Pledge. How old are you? How long have you been using the Internet? Do you remember the time before commercial use of the WWW?

I’ve used the Internet since before the Web, and I’ve never heard of the Boulder Pledge either.
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