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Easy. A "cult" is a disparaging term for a religion that someone other than yourself belongs to. YOUR belief group on the other hand is obviously not a cult, but a religion. (Actually I guess it might be size, but in common vernacular I think the above is actually often the case).
Cults have another attribute: a mechanism for addicting members and keeping them, usually through psychological means.
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Do they really need that certainty, or has that been trained into them from an early age?
Obviously very hard to test. But no one is told they need certainty. And a lot of people get existential angst -- a topic discussed on HN at length. And we clearly have a strong need for social belonging, most of us. Spiritual experience is scientifically measurable brain activity. People enjoy it.
Having been wounded in this way, people seek any path out of their suffering.
Spiritual experience is observable in the brain, but it is certainly not understood, nor are the mechanisms. This is equally true of psychedelic experiences caused by drugs.
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Unfortunately religious guilt often gets replaced by secular neo-Malthusian doomsday ideology. That might not be your experience but it seems to be common. It plugs into the same port: "forgive us nature for we have sinned... we have overshot our ecological carrying capacity..." Another thing about secularism that bothers me (and I am not religious) is the strong negative association with birth rates. Look up the sta…
I'm not convinced that lack of religion and pessimism are correlated at all. In my experience, religious people are as likely to be pessimistic as non-religious people. The latter may be more cynical, but those people were almost always religious at some point in their lives and their darker attitudes are caused by their disillusionment about religion, rather than by lack of religion. I think you have some deeply roo…
It has been demonstrated repeatedly that higher education is correlated with lower birth rates, all the way down to sub-replacement levels. This is indeed a problem for anyone who wants to promote secular policies in a democracy, if they quickly find themselves outnumbered in a few generations (assuming that "conversion" to secular politics happens at a lower rate than the non-secular birth rate). That is how I read the parent comment.
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#134Tasty. Too bad people like him don't practice deprogramming us from greater evils than two-bit cults - for example, communism, capitalism, patriotism, orderism. Each of these isms also demand suspension of thought and beliefs in either magic or the greater wisdom of authority figures.
Look, when a Fox News journalist says he needs to be with his family at the mall on Christmas eve to "create capitalism" I get a little worried. And sure, there are lots of cults built on these ideologies. But the ideologies themselves are not cults.
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Yes, because we've never seen massive casualties as the result of a flu virus. Oh, wait... Worrying about what influenza viruses are doing is not in any way shape or form similar to worrying about reptilian illuminati.
Anything that questions mainstream media version of the truth is automatically labeled as conspiracy theory delusion and hence put in the same category as believing in reptilian illuminati . How is this different to cult brainwash mechanics? (to ridicule a view other than the cult-accepted view). The sirya crisis is a perfect example: a few years ago the shariah law al'qaeda guys were the movie villains: religious fa…
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> What fills that vacuum? Religion is a cultural construct to address certain issues like morality, cosmology, etc. It didn't fill any void, its just an outward expression of culture. Current culture is to handle these things inwardly and via some level of rational inquiry. We don't need a turn-key replacement. The only turn-key replacement for religion is more religion. Religion as a category and part of human exper…
You seem to forget that we, as a species, are wired for religion. Remove it and it will leave a void, a god-shaped hole, that is going to be filled with something, no matter what. You can't just leave it empty in the general case, you need to replace it with a powerful heavy NOP, like an Indiana Jones switch. Otherwise you're just going to have a really bad time. Sure there's people that can be secular on their own s…
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#137So here is a question : What is the difference between a cult and an established religion ? Is it the size of the following ? Is it the time of origin, i.e. recent vs long ago ? Is it the number of followers ? Or is it some combination of the above, or something else altogether ?
A cult is usually about a single charismatic leader. Religions don't really have this - Catholicism has the pope, I guess, but he's not the glory boy of the religion.
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I'm not convinced that lack of religion and pessimism are correlated at all. In my experience, religious people are as likely to be pessimistic as non-religious people. The latter may be more cynical, but those people were almost always religious at some point in their lives and their darker attitudes are caused by their disillusionment about religion, rather than by lack of religion. I think you have some deeply roo…
Religious people have kids because of a commandment to "multiply and replenish the earth". There are lots of religious families with six or more children, all spaced two or three years apart using birth control. It has been demonstrated repeatedly that higher education is correlated with lower birth rates, all the way down to sub-replacement levels. This is indeed a problem for anyone who wants to promote secular pol…
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You seem to forget that we, as a species, are wired for religion. Remove it and it will leave a void, a god-shaped hole, that is going to be filled with something, no matter what. You can't just leave it empty in the general case, you need to replace it with a powerful heavy NOP, like an Indiana Jones switch. Otherwise you're just going to have a really bad time. Sure there's people that can be secular on their own s…
We are also wired for racism and magical thinking but we tend to just avoid it with the use of education, not debating how we are left with racistm-shaped hole.
The "shape" of the hole left by religion is more complex. I suppose the best way to describe it would be to compare all extant religions and see what they have in common. My lay-opinion is that they almost all give the adherent two things: a) an almost Newtonian, absolutist world-view, in which b) some sort of father or mother figure that will make everything all right (in the long run). So, it's a kind of certainty about one's own personal insignificance. It's an excuse to "let go".
From this perspective, ignoring differences in specific dogma, religion is actually far more realistic than humanism, which usually tends to stress individual importance. But most people (and I include myself in this) are not important. Heck, think of any of the most important people in history - will they be remembered in 1000 years? 10,000? On an even somewhat long (human) time scale, almost none of us matter.