So here is a question : What is the difference between a cult and an established religion ? Is it the size of the following ? Is it the time of origin, i.e. recent vs long ago ? Is it the number of followers ? Or is it some combination of the above, or something else altogether ?
Easy. A "cult" is a disparaging term for a religion that someone other than yourself belongs to. YOUR belief group on the other hand is obviously not a cult, but a religion. (Actually I guess it might be size, but in common vernacular I think the above is actually often the case).
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd be quite skeptical that she was ever able to successfully trick anyone into undergoing SRS. For one thing, it's fairly expensive. Secondly, no reputable surgeon would perform the procedure without verifying that the psychologist who wrote a letter was actually a licensed practitioner. Third, the WPATH Standards of Care specify that SRS should only be performed on patients who have two letters of approval from two…
You speak in the present tense. Was this true in the 60s?
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#93So here is a question : What is the difference between a cult and an established religion ? Is it the size of the following ? Is it the time of origin, i.e. recent vs long ago ? Is it the number of followers ? Or is it some combination of the above, or something else altogether ?
Good question. According to webster, it has to be 'relatively small' to be a cult. From the article, it seems that the cults have a higher relative level of exploitation. My guess is that there is a continuum that runs between the two. Edit: My guess substantiated by wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult
So in effect, there is no fundamental difference.
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#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
Easy. A "cult" is a disparaging term for a religion that someone other than yourself belongs to. YOUR belief group on the other hand is obviously not a cult, but a religion. (Actually I guess it might be size, but in common vernacular I think the above is actually often the case).
Cults have another attribute: a mechanism for addicting members and keeping them, usually through psychological means.
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#95This is a long article with a lot of items to discuss, but my take is that its "easy" to "brainwash" people because a lot of what's being offered is actually good, but, of course, used cynically and for social control. The Hare Krishna kid didn't know it before, but he now realizes that meditation helps with his social anxiety. Except now, he's in bed with the Krishna's, instead of finding a personal and secular path…
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Therapy is a medical science, Therapy is a practice, not a science. > but every layperson seems to think they have enough knowledge to comment on what it is or whether it's needed. Ah, the "leave it to the experts" trope. Giving that responsibility to someone else is the same as relying on a guru or a religious personality to tell you what to believe & do. If you look into psychology & related fields, there are dif…
Medicine is based in science. Not sure what you are getting at by claiming it isn't.
Semantics & accuracy.
I'll appeal to authority for you...
“Some doctors are scientists – just as some politicians are scientists – but most are not,” "Indeed, most doctors are incapable of critically appraising an article. They have never been trained to do so." Richard Smith - Editor British Medical Journal http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC428500/
Physics, Chemistry, Biology, etc are sciences.
Pediatrics, Oncology, Counseling are practices.
The technique will use science, however they are not a science in themselves. Even though the practices are "based on science", sometimes there issues with the initial studies that we later find out in later studies.
Dealing with the inner working of reality is hard. There's lots of unseen complexity. The unknowns are still unknown. Science often lags practical application because it requires fundamental understanding, capital, accredited scientists, & peer review. E.g. we knew how to create catapults before we had Newtonian Physics.
Also, be careful because the definition of "based on science" has become heavily politicized & driven to sell something to the public. Monsanto created GM crops that are "safe" "based on science". We are now finding out that their crops are wreaking havoc to the ecosystem. e.g. the Bees & Monarch Butterfly populations have collapsed.
In the 1950s, Cigarettes were deemed "based on science". Asbestos was deemed safe "based on science".
I speak because I do know a renowned medical practitioner & researcher. I have a glimpse on how the sausage is made.
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> Many of the so-called 'swamis' of the world would be considered mentally ill in the Western world.
That is more of a condemnation of the Western world. Locking someone up just because they are not "gainfully employed" and "another brick in the wall" is hardly healthy.
> People didn't have it 'figured out' hundreds or thousands of years ago.
We don't now either. Look at how humans have impacted the environment in such a short time. Also look at our pointless & expensive wars that we engage in. Look at the obesity epidemic. Feel the cold unhappiness & judgement of modern western culture.
> Hundreds or thousands of years ago people use to cut out other people's tongues or raid each other's homes to kidnap slaves.
We still do. People are still murdered, oppressed, silenced. Slavery still exists, more so now then ever.
> The human race has done some horrible things to each other over time and I don't subscribe to the idea that somehow we should be looking to those generations for advice on mental wellness.
It's not so much the time period or ethnicity. It's more about the attitude we have toward each each other. There are good and bad people now. There were good and bad people then. History teaches us on what works and what doesn't work.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"
- George Santayana
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Note: I find it amusing that my previous comment, which basically says "think for yourself", have a "critical view of things", and "understand causality", is downvoted on HN.
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#97Tasty. Too bad people like him don't practice deprogramming us from greater evils than two-bit cults - for example, communism, capitalism, patriotism, orderism. Each of these isms also demand suspension of thought and beliefs in either magic or the greater wisdom of authority figures.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
I never 'had' religion - I was raised by atheists. So, I never had a 'void' to fill. So, what does that make of me? I feel like a 'moral' person - do I need something other than common sense, empathy, and civility to be moral?
The trouble is when a serial killer says the same thing.
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#99fyi paywall
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#100http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2013/12/remember...
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/David-Sullivan-PI-who-...