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Every time, these releases get later and later!
I wonder what they will do after 23.10 . :D
They'll be closed source by then so it won't matter.
Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)
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Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)
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I have always found that continous upgrade eventually break the system. A clean install should be the recommended choice.
Yes, same experience. Unfortunately, for the peace of mind, you should always rebuild - in-place upgrades for Desktop never work smoothly.
I guess I should stop using my Debian machines where I did an install in previous decades (decades, plural) and copied the setup from hard drive to hard drive across several physical machine rebuilds. Up to now I had no idea that this never works smoothly.
Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)
#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
Quite boring for desktop end users. No real changes. That is probably a good thing, since changes in Ubuntu usually means breakage.
On Destkop there is reason to upgrade if you are using stock software and kernel (as I'm). Unity in 13.10 feels more responsive than in 13.04 was. Pretty much everything is bumped to newer versions. Even things in VirtualBox work faster now (13.04 was installing 4.2.10, but 13.10 is installing 4.2.16). Dont know what is the reason for speed gains - Kernel in Ubuntu or newer VirtualBox. One thing to do after upgrade i…
I wonder if the crackling sound could be related to this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/157891/skype-and-vlc-sounds-s... ?
Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)
#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
- All Ubuntu Touch development happens publicly on a mailing list and in IRC. - All the Ubuntu Touch specs are public and discussed during a public developer summit online. - Daily images and snapshots for everyone - Weekly hangouts with community members and status reports. - Nearly all of the core apps shipping on the image are community contributed. It's nice that you are excited about Firefox OS (me too), but ser…
> All the Ubuntu Touch specs are public and discussed during a public developer summit online. Interesting. Can you point me to the online discussion of Mir that took place during the first six months of its development? > Nearly all of the core apps shipping on the image are community contributed. ... With a mandatory CLA that allows my open-source contributions to be used under a proprietary license by Canonical. S…
> Interesting. Can you point me to the online discussion of Mir that took place during the first six months of its development?
Ubuntu Touch switched to Mir a week ago and was using SurfaceFlinger up until then.
Sure Mir began life as a close proof of concept but has been OSSed for a long time now, certainly long enough to see if it was a good fit for Ubuntu Touch. We could argue whether Mir is now part of Ubuntu Touch or just a component of it but that's just arguing semantics.
> ... With a mandatory CLA that allows my open-source contributions to be used under a proprietary license by Canonical. See the detailed explanation here [1] on why this is such a big deal.
If you don't like signing a CLA you don't have to sign it. You don't have to contribute if you don't want to. You're also free to fork any of the CLA'ed software as you see fit.
> The irony of hearing that statement going in the other direction after Canonical's handling of the Mir/Wayland debacle is truly precious.
Wayland isn't a fit for Ubuntu. In order to deliver the things we want in time for 14.04/14.10 we prefer to maintain our own stack. That's not being any less open than anyone else, it's just how it is, shrug.
Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)
#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
Mozilla's bugzilla and mailing lists are approved posts only, that's not very open.
Source? I don't recall jumping through any hoops to post on Bugzilla or mozilla.dev.platform, and I definitely have no relationship with Mozilla.
Approved as in the posts need to be OK'd by a mod before being shown. And yes, they do censor heavily, try posting a well reasoned complaint about australis for instance and watch your mail not get approved.
Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)
#136Any one managed to get Ubuntu 13.10 on mac book air with Haswell processor ? Any better result for the graphics support on haswell ? I was hoping to buy one of these if I could run ubuntu 13.10 without much problems.
Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)
#137I was sad to see that the option to swap caps lock and escape was gone (I think I'm blaming GNOME here). But on the other hand I ought to be doing that programaticly in my setup script, so I finally just got around to adding that there. EDIT: I almost decided to switch to Xubuntu, but then I installed xfce, tried it out, and found that they didn't provide that option either. Besides, using xmonad with xfce is much mo…
GNOME only moved it into gnome-tweak-tools. Not sure with Unity though.
Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)
#138Ubuntu is not going the direction I want for "my Linux. 1. Mir is a huge mistake (My opinion) 2. Unity (Well I am tiled window manager (i3) guy now so all DEs) I really don't like the flow of OS X and it is starting to really look more like OS X. DEFAULT an easily be changed. 3. Lack of community between the Linux ecosystem. Millions is spent on Ubuntu but seems like little makes it upstream. 4. Software Center. They…
I like what they do with their distro.
I won't use it on desktop (I'm on gentoo for more than a decade and am very happy with it), but I use it on laptop and tried its mobile version on my nexus7 (ubuntu touch, but that's basically 13.10). It's only when I played with it on tablet that I understood what unity is about.
You compare it to macosx, and I agree, here : it's some kind of responsive interface, allowing to have the same feeling on a desktop, a laptop and a mobile. That's certainly not our usual linux environment, but I'm glad they're trying to innovate, here.
I can't wait to see what will come out of that when it's finished, because even the browser was quite unusable when I tried ubuntu touch (it keeps on clicking 25/50px above were I was tapping).
The qt5 development environment looks promising to write apps, too. Not only that will be nice to write mobile apps, but even to write desktop small apps and widgets. Each time I tried to write some kde javascript plasma widget, it was painful by lack of documentation and lack of debug features. Ubuntu sdk looks great, so far (just sad it's just for ubuntu).
Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)
#139No, it's not released. The release is imminent. Ubuntu is developed in the open, so you get to see candidate release images on the page linked. Ubuntu is not released until the release is announced. If you're in doubt, expect to see an announcement on the ubuntu-announce mailing list, or its archive at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/ Also see #ubuntu-release-party on Freenode. At the moment, the to…
Did anybody notice the zsync download links, next to the Torrent links?
Anybody have experience with zsync downloads? Is it supposed to update a previous 13.10 Beta ISO, or any previous ISO, e.g. the 13.04 release?
Also, I wonder why they don't use magnet links instead of torrent files.
Re: Ubuntu 13.10 (Saucy Salamander)
#140Can someone explain to me what's different about the Mac and PC versions of 64 bit Ubuntu? I've seen these Mac versions show up lately but what's in them? I can't find the data clearly on the website. Is it just different drivers and defaults?
"Unfortunately, even though Macs use a variant of EFI (an earlier version of what's now called UEFI), they apparently can't cope with multi-catalog CDs, and simply refuse to boot them. This left us in rather a quandary: we needed to support UEFI systems, but we didn't want to drop support for Macs either. I therefore created the amd64+mac CD images, which are exactly the same as the amd64 images except that they only…
OHHHHHHH bootable. I'd never actually tried that as I've always installed in a VM. Now that makes sense as to why the Mac version wouldn't work when I tried it in a VM.